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sufan and we're going to be talking

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about the case in the 80s known as the

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night you're trying Knight of the

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welcome back to Mike monder and Eminem

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hi guys hi Mike hi Emily welcome back

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Dave

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so we've got uh Mike and Emily from

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soufan in Swansea the swans UFO network

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based in South Wales in the UK

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um for our monthly chat

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um based on this historical cases in

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Wales and tonight's chat is doozy we're

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going to be talking about one of the

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biggest UFO cases ever to happen in

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and it's called The Knight of the

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triangles

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um I've really been looking forward to

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hearing more about this case not

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released because I was also one of the

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witnesses but because it's an amazing

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case and it's not that well known in the

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rest of the world so we really want to

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highlight it so welcome guys and let's

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have a chat about the triangles what can

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you tell us right it's the biggest case

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I had never heard of it if I'm honest I

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had not heard of it before

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um researching this

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everybody's heard of Randall Sherman

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because some a big incident needs a name

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isn't it because you've got like the

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better with mountain incident you know

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to give it a name it all happened in one

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and just start discussing the case

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presentation and we can we can skip this

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you want to see each other on the

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the left-hand side yeah okay no problem

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so whenever you're ready then Mike okay

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this the actual witness is passed away

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uh in he passed away in 2012.

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an email and it was him luckily

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he told us the story of his dad uh who

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couple of doors down and he was making a

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into the house opposite and the other

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side of the road but then it uh

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of the house opposite and it was just

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roof of the house opposite and then he

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he looked between the houses and he just

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see did he think it was scanning the

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ground or the area or was there any

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lights coming from it

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black triangle and

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the only lights he saw were these small

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white lights at the end of these

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appendages at one pointing down one at

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each caller

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the series of videos of meeting the

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witnesses like the triangles for YouTube

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the first film that we made yeah

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Steve Steve drewson myself Mike

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and Lawrence Lowe went out to meet her

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meet the son Phil Jones and yeah Steve

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been there would have been three of us

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talking about it which should have been

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video next of me Mike yes yeah remember

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the time of this now this was 6 15 on

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this on this night okay because that

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that time comes up again in a bit

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this is this is his son Phil Jones

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for sure my father likes the prophet and

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he was going on to a driving lesson uh

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has he got down to his car here uh he

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noticed uh he's he was attention was

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drawn to the the rules of the two houses

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next door next door but one uh from

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which he saw a large black Craft

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um which was about this he described it

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as being about the size of a family

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saloon car triangular in shape uh it was

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blacker than the night sky and then on

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the on the three corners of this craft

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bottom of that pole was a very bright

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small but very bright white light and

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the vehicle or the craft uh came between

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the two houses here uh it then descended

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walking pace it crossed the road and

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just just about managed to miss the roof

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of the house opposite

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number 15. that's right that one there

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next to the scaffolding yeah yeah

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it uh he said it was that close he was

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waiting for the impact

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to occur he really did think it was

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going to crash it was a new song it was

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that it made a sound it was a very low

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type sound chugging like a chugging

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sound it was going at what he described

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as a slow walking pace uh and

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um was so narrow Oh indeed so low that

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it had no height to it and such and he

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said if anybody if anyone that was

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intelligently controlled

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um and certainly it was under control uh

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if there was any entity anything in

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there it would have had to have been

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laying frustrated

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um and it would have certainly probably

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that about the size of my family Saloon

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several people were reported as having

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seen these aircraft in the night sky on

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that particular meeting question

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um but this is the closest

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one over that is the lowest yeah yeah so

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you can imagine it coming up with a roof

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there sure this other could in this

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descended it actually became down below

282
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the height of the roof

283
00:11:34,310 --> 00:11:32,399
um how long would it take five six

284
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seconds to cross the road at a walking

285
00:11:39,889 --> 00:11:36,600
pace yeah and then as I say then

286
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ascended again just about cleared that

287
00:11:44,810 --> 00:11:43,019
roof literally by an inch or two and

288
00:11:47,810 --> 00:11:44,820
then my father having run up here

289
00:11:50,389 --> 00:11:47,820
between the Gap and the two houses he

290
00:11:52,730 --> 00:11:50,399
noticed it descending again and making

291
00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:52,740
its way down there well we're not

292
00:11:56,870 --> 00:11:54,240
actually left did it

293
00:12:00,490 --> 00:11:56,880
um did it leave it velocity or did it

294
00:12:06,170 --> 00:12:03,710
between these houses and it didn't speed

295
00:12:08,449 --> 00:12:06,180
up the speed was constant it was a

296
00:12:11,569 --> 00:12:08,459
constant what you what he described as a

297
00:12:14,389 --> 00:12:11,579
slow to medium walk-in pace

298
00:12:17,810 --> 00:12:14,399
um and that's how it it it ascended over

299
00:12:20,449 --> 00:12:17,820
that roof he ran over here saw between

300
00:12:23,329 --> 00:12:20,459
the two houses the Gap there he managed

301
00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:23,339
to watch it descend back down below the

302
00:12:28,870 --> 00:12:25,680
house level again and head off in that

303
00:12:31,490 --> 00:12:28,880
direction towards the Swansea Bay

304
00:12:33,710 --> 00:12:31,500
and as I said he said that as far as he

305
00:12:35,990 --> 00:12:33,720
was concerned the speed was continually

306
00:12:37,370 --> 00:12:36,000
it was the same speed I wonder if

307
00:12:38,710 --> 00:12:37,380
there's any sound coming from that thing

308
00:12:41,389 --> 00:12:38,720
well

309
00:12:43,910 --> 00:12:41,399
the only sound that he could chew was a

310
00:12:45,670 --> 00:12:43,920
very low deep and I'll do it for you it

311
00:12:47,569 --> 00:12:45,680
was a sort of a

312
00:12:51,530 --> 00:12:47,579
we already answered that and then

313
00:12:51,540 --> 00:12:56,210
that's good

314
00:13:00,009 --> 00:12:58,009
Lawrence obviously wasn't listening

315
00:13:02,030 --> 00:13:00,019
anyway

316
00:13:03,710 --> 00:13:02,040
that was a

317
00:13:04,370 --> 00:13:03,720
that was our first video

318
00:13:06,710 --> 00:13:04,380
um

319
00:13:08,629 --> 00:13:06,720
it's really good that the fellow

320
00:13:11,389 --> 00:13:08,639
Phil said he could remember what his dad

321
00:13:13,790 --> 00:13:11,399
told him at the time he was only a young

322
00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:13,800
lad himself but 18 years old I think he

323
00:13:17,629 --> 00:13:15,600
said he was it was very detailed he

324
00:13:20,150 --> 00:13:17,639
obviously did listen very well he said

325
00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:20,160
his dad maintained the story for years

326
00:13:26,269 --> 00:13:22,680
he never added to it never embellished

327
00:13:28,190 --> 00:13:26,279
it or and he that's why you remembered

328
00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:28,200
it so well which is I mean before people

329
00:13:31,490 --> 00:13:30,120
start saying we I called it a drone

330
00:13:33,290 --> 00:13:31,500
earlier but obviously we're not talking

331
00:13:34,129 --> 00:13:33,300
about the sort of drones we see these

332
00:13:35,810 --> 00:13:34,139
days

333
00:13:38,750 --> 00:13:35,820
you know with little propellers on that

334
00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:38,760
are going up they didn't exist in 1983.

335
00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:40,800
you know I mean this is that is a very

336
00:13:45,889 --> 00:13:43,920
strange strange um case there straight

337
00:13:48,829 --> 00:13:45,899
away unless it could have been the

338
00:13:52,389 --> 00:13:48,839
triangle Pub piloted by really little

339
00:13:55,970 --> 00:13:54,230
who knows

340
00:13:56,930 --> 00:13:55,980
anyway uh

341
00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:56,940
um

342
00:14:02,090 --> 00:13:59,040
yeah don't forget now this night was a

343
00:14:05,150 --> 00:14:02,100
very quiet cold clear night the stars

344
00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:05,160
were out it was a January night so it

345
00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:06,480
got dark early

346
00:14:10,190 --> 00:14:08,160
and uh

347
00:14:12,350 --> 00:14:10,200
I think the a lot of the Witnesses were

348
00:14:13,910 --> 00:14:12,360
just having the tea or I think

349
00:14:16,250 --> 00:14:13,920
I don't know if we've got Leon Gaskins

350
00:14:19,009 --> 00:14:16,260
on here we might skip yeah she's one of

351
00:14:22,069 --> 00:14:19,019
the towards the end she was one of the

352
00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:22,079
first Witnesses uh well

353
00:14:26,690 --> 00:14:24,480
the first reported on that night I think

354
00:14:29,090 --> 00:14:26,700
it was about 5 15. I think she was

355
00:14:31,730 --> 00:14:29,100
watching blue Peter on the TV she just

356
00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:31,740
come home from school

357
00:14:34,250 --> 00:14:32,940
um we're going to come up to that again

358
00:14:36,769 --> 00:14:34,260
in a minute right

359
00:14:39,410 --> 00:14:36,779
let's go to the next one Mike

360
00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:41,090
this is

361
00:14:46,430 --> 00:14:43,199
Milan and

362
00:14:49,129 --> 00:14:46,440
Byron yeah no this is 6 15 as well so

363
00:14:50,269 --> 00:14:49,139
this next one was happening at the exact

364
00:14:52,189 --> 00:14:50,279
same time

365
00:14:54,350 --> 00:14:52,199
as Austin Jones had his side of the

366
00:14:57,050 --> 00:14:54,360
motion we've just heard about

367
00:14:59,750 --> 00:14:57,060
two miles difference uh

368
00:15:02,449 --> 00:14:59,760
offline was in the Uplands this is in

369
00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:02,459
cosignin which is about five miles to

370
00:15:05,389 --> 00:15:03,360
the north

371
00:15:08,269 --> 00:15:05,399
West okay

372
00:15:10,189 --> 00:15:08,279
and basically the story is this there

373
00:15:12,530 --> 00:15:10,199
was these three guys

374
00:15:13,790 --> 00:15:12,540
there were two brothers Milan and Byron

375
00:15:16,970 --> 00:15:13,800
baliac

376
00:15:20,090 --> 00:15:16,980
and Roger Williams they were standing

377
00:15:25,250 --> 00:15:20,100
outside go sign in

378
00:15:28,509 --> 00:15:26,870
working men's club yeah go sign in

379
00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:28,519
working men's club

380
00:15:33,889 --> 00:15:31,680
in Brighton Road in Consignment they

381
00:15:36,050 --> 00:15:33,899
were waiting to the club to play they

382
00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:36,060
were waiting for the club to um open up

383
00:15:38,810 --> 00:15:37,199
or they were

384
00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:38,820
they were going in to play snooker or

385
00:15:42,530 --> 00:15:40,560
pool or something

386
00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:42,540
so they were just standing there and

387
00:15:48,110 --> 00:15:45,120
they saw a huge

388
00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:48,120
triangle the size I think Milan called

389
00:15:53,689 --> 00:15:50,880
it size of a jumbo jet

390
00:15:56,629 --> 00:15:53,699
heading down Brighton Road

391
00:15:59,810 --> 00:15:56,639
um Brighton Road runs west to east

392
00:16:01,550 --> 00:15:59,820
and it was got the this hidden triangle

393
00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:01,560
was heading

394
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:04,260
west to east down the road

395
00:16:09,949 --> 00:16:07,680
opposite above a rower houses and it was

396
00:16:13,550 --> 00:16:09,959
literally just above just just above the

397
00:16:15,170 --> 00:16:13,560
hoses okay no sound at all

398
00:16:16,730 --> 00:16:15,180
and I think he said they were lights

399
00:16:18,110 --> 00:16:16,740
blue lights around the edge of it with

400
00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:18,120
white lights underneath

401
00:16:21,710 --> 00:16:19,920
but have we got the video here he's

402
00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:21,720
going to describe what we saw there yeah

403
00:16:25,790 --> 00:16:23,279
we got the video do you want me to play

404
00:16:27,889 --> 00:16:25,800
the video yeah I'll just say that they

405
00:16:30,590 --> 00:16:27,899
saw this big one and then followed by

406
00:16:32,930 --> 00:16:30,600
after that had gone they saw another two

407
00:16:35,689 --> 00:16:32,940
triangles big

408
00:16:37,310 --> 00:16:35,699
but smaller than the first one

409
00:16:39,230 --> 00:16:37,320
and they were these were moving up and

410
00:16:40,610 --> 00:16:39,240
down the roads passing each other a

411
00:16:46,129 --> 00:16:40,620
couple of times

412
00:16:46,139 --> 00:16:58,660
that's me London

413
00:17:03,170 --> 00:17:00,129
[Music]

414
00:17:06,530 --> 00:17:03,180
there was the house there there was a

415
00:17:08,510 --> 00:17:06,540
roll of white roomie lights very small

416
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:08,520
and as they came over the top of the

417
00:17:13,490 --> 00:17:10,559
house the whole thing tilted

418
00:17:15,890 --> 00:17:13,500
in between these houses here we could

419
00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:15,900
see a triangle see a new triangles yeah

420
00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:46,370
um when one of the boys when they went

421
00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:48,120
out the second seat we lost it for a

422
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:50,400
while so they went out the site and when

423
00:17:55,610 --> 00:17:52,799
my brother was murdered one in with some

424
00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:55,620
uh 27th but when I went in there there

425
00:18:00,350 --> 00:17:58,559
was two smaller triangles in this year

426
00:18:02,450 --> 00:18:00,360
going up and down just past each other

427
00:18:06,490 --> 00:18:02,460
like this but much smaller while you

428
00:18:12,350 --> 00:18:09,770
these two went Patrol and I was still

429
00:18:14,570 --> 00:18:12,360
out here I stayed here and I don't know

430
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:14,580
where this street here there were two

431
00:18:17,690 --> 00:18:16,320
smaller finals up and down each other

432
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:17,700
like that so they completely went on the

433
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,120
site no sound whatsoever but this one

434
00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:24,240
here this one investigative is huge and

435
00:18:27,950 --> 00:18:25,860
these are small and it was really big

436
00:18:30,350 --> 00:18:27,960
wasn't it you know

437
00:18:39,850 --> 00:18:30,360
yeah so initially then the sighting was

438
00:18:58,390 --> 00:18:43,610
I just remember the side of it so yeah

439
00:19:03,529 --> 00:19:01,390
first came down from the north side

440
00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:03,539
that's what I'm sorry I didn't see any

441
00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:16,270
um

442
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,770
between it yeah

443
00:19:27,049 --> 00:19:24,169
but I couldn't see anything I couldn't

444
00:19:28,740 --> 00:19:27,059
see anything in between it but it was it

445
00:19:31,610 --> 00:19:28,750
was definitely just like that

446
00:19:56,169 --> 00:19:31,620
[Laughter]

447
00:20:01,090 --> 00:19:58,750
slowly back and forth

448
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,100
the first one

449
00:20:06,650 --> 00:20:03,360
you know the reason got them performed

450
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,660
and I I just stated I don't know how

451
00:20:10,730 --> 00:20:09,120
this guy is and then uh it was there

452
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:10,740
just knocked out for anything so he

453
00:20:16,130 --> 00:20:12,960
couldn't see anything between the first

454
00:20:17,870 --> 00:20:16,140
one I could see it was a black a black

455
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:17,880
sheep he was a black triangle I could

456
00:20:22,909 --> 00:20:20,000
see that

457
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:22,919
oh yes yeah but you couldn't see how

458
00:20:26,270 --> 00:20:24,720
sick or deeper than anything it was you

459
00:20:27,850 --> 00:20:26,280
know what I mean why do you get to use

460
00:20:31,070 --> 00:20:27,860
those lights

461
00:20:33,049 --> 00:20:31,080
really black black shape and a triangle

462
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:33,059
you can see what shirt it was but you

463
00:20:35,390 --> 00:20:34,320
couldn't see what the exit was nothing

464
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:35,400
like that you know

465
00:20:56,770 --> 00:20:36,960
um

466
00:21:01,370 --> 00:20:59,029
in between like five and seven between

467
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:01,380
those houses there and then you could

468
00:21:09,010 --> 00:21:04,559
see it was just a light on inspired here

469
00:21:12,169 --> 00:21:09,020
yeah what sort of time was it 4x6

470
00:21:13,070 --> 00:21:12,179
it was it was dark whenever he dressed

471
00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:13,080
you know what I mean it was already

472
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,330
together

473
00:21:25,010 --> 00:21:22,310
so there we are he said quarter past six

474
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,020
so that was happening at the same time

475
00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:27,600
I have my coordinates coordinates wrong

476
00:21:31,549 --> 00:21:29,340
there the road actually runs north south

477
00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:31,559
north east west I got it wrong there

478
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,760
um

479
00:21:36,770 --> 00:21:34,080
yeah I don't know if you got that but he

480
00:21:38,810 --> 00:21:36,780
saw this huge one it was it that went

481
00:21:40,730 --> 00:21:38,820
off to the east

482
00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:40,740
and while the two of his brother and

483
00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:43,320
Roger went in to phone up the local

484
00:21:47,090 --> 00:21:45,480
radio station Swansea sound

485
00:21:49,730 --> 00:21:47,100
he was standing there looking at the sky

486
00:21:52,130 --> 00:21:49,740
and that's when he saw these two

487
00:21:52,909 --> 00:21:52,140
smaller triangles moving up and down the

488
00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:52,919
road

489
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,600
and passing each other a couple of times

490
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:55,919
and they

491
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:03,409
what did he do the following day I mean

492
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,799
yeah

493
00:22:08,810 --> 00:22:06,720
now Miller and what did have an interest

494
00:22:12,590 --> 00:22:08,820
in UFOs at the time he had a collection

495
00:22:14,270 --> 00:22:12,600
of books on the subject and um

496
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:14,280
I think he said after this happened he

497
00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:15,240
went home

498
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,220
he got all the books he took him down

499
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:19,919
the bottom of the garden he burnt them

500
00:22:25,250 --> 00:22:23,039
it affected him that much he wanted

501
00:22:26,570 --> 00:22:25,260
nothing more to do with it no he pulled

502
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,580
his curtains closed and he said the

503
00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:28,799
following him he was hidden that said

504
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:30,419
that uh he said the following morning

505
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,580
there were a lot of military aircraft

506
00:22:39,169 --> 00:22:34,559
flying around

507
00:22:43,310 --> 00:22:40,430
so

508
00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:43,320
which is an interesting point

509
00:22:49,010 --> 00:22:45,780
the behavior of The Craft there that's

510
00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:49,020
been described so far it's it sounds uh

511
00:22:53,149 --> 00:22:51,000
John said it sounds like a drone but to

512
00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:53,159
me it sounds more like a probe or like a

513
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,140
it's scanning especially when he

514
00:22:58,909 --> 00:22:57,120
described the two triangles going up and

515
00:23:00,649 --> 00:22:58,919
down the street and then yeah with the

516
00:23:02,270 --> 00:23:00,659
first witness with the lights coming off

517
00:23:05,390 --> 00:23:02,280
the tips

518
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,400
it just struck me as a

519
00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:08,400
fact-finder mission

520
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,620
I don't know yeah yeah it's just how it

521
00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:12,960
strikes my ears

522
00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:14,820
they were operating in tandem with the

523
00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:17,700
big one and the fact they were so low I

524
00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:19,980
mean that's that is strange

525
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,200
strange I mean but again if they had

526
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,000
that sort of Technology why would they

527
00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:25,919
need to be so low to the ground as well

528
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,140
that's a bit strange in itself isn't it

529
00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:30,240
yeah I don't know if we're going to get

530
00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:32,580
to your witness Mark I think his name is

531
00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:34,860
Mark but um he's he said something

532
00:23:38,690 --> 00:23:37,500
interesting it was like they wanted to

533
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:38,700
be seen

534
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,760
and again the behavior

535
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:44,159
yeah yeah the behavior again the

536
00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:46,260
behavior described so far by the two

537
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:48,780
witnesses we've heard uh backs that up

538
00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:50,700
they're moving very slowly there's no

539
00:23:56,350 --> 00:23:53,400
zipping in and out you know what I mean

540
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:56,360
it's just over rooftops that's exactly

541
00:24:01,490 --> 00:24:00,059
it's crazy and it's like down pipes

542
00:24:03,169 --> 00:24:01,500
coming off them with the lights on you

543
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:03,179
and that sounds a bit like the Tic Tacs

544
00:24:07,130 --> 00:24:05,100
we view the Tic Tacs and appendages

545
00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:07,140
coming off them as well which is a bit

546
00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:09,780
strange it was on the old fun Jones that

547
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,340
said that they had these appendages

548
00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:14,400
nobody else has said that but he was I

549
00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:15,900
think out of all of them I think he

550
00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:17,640
might have been the closest to one of

551
00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:20,120
the triangles

552
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:23,100
below the roof level yeah less than the

553
00:24:33,049 --> 00:24:31,010
we'll see there is more witnesses

554
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,059
yeah yeah they crack on there's loads

555
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:35,760
yeah that was uh Steve drewson that was

556
00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:38,220
in the video asking the question the one

557
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:42,299
that looks like Carl say again yeah

558
00:24:45,649 --> 00:24:44,100
when I first met Steve I said God you

559
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:45,659
look like Carl Sagan he said who's that

560
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:52,730
where are we now

561
00:24:58,370 --> 00:24:56,220
assembling kenmore's right this is in uh

562
00:25:00,890 --> 00:24:58,380
Mike's stamping ground in bishopston

563
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:00,900
um this is a bit a little bit disjointed

564
00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:03,960
here uh in the Titans but anyway this is

565
00:25:09,169 --> 00:25:05,400
a bit later in the evening this is by

566
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:09,179
between 8 p.m and 9pm and this guy was

567
00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:09,840
um

568
00:25:15,409 --> 00:25:12,600
I think he was a BT engineer but he

569
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:15,419
he was he was at home for the evening I

570
00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:17,220
think his wife had gone out and he was

571
00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:18,840
sitting down watching the TV on his own

572
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,100
all of a sudden the lights went out it

573
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,080
was a power cut

574
00:25:25,549 --> 00:25:24,720
and he got up looked out the window to

575
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,559
see if

576
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:27,840
the whole area had been blacked out or

577
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:31,440
was it just his own house and he saw

578
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,380
three lights in the shape of a triangle

579
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:37,440
heading west to east over Bishop's

580
00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:40,380
turning over towards Swansea Bay

581
00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:41,640
um

582
00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:43,620
he opened the window

583
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:45,960
and to see if there was any sound there

584
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:47,460
was no sound at all

585
00:25:50,330 --> 00:25:49,080
and uh you couldn't actually see the

586
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:50,340
outline of the triangle it was just

587
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:51,600
these three lights in the shape of a

588
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,820
triangle but they were moving perfectly

589
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:55,200
in together

590
00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:56,700
would suggest that there were actually

591
00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:00,360
three lights on the on a craft yeah

592
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:02,220
and uh

593
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,700
we went up to see Ken and he told us

594
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:07,919
what he saw

595
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,299
got a video

596
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:11,360
yeah

597
00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:16,380
good report about this that he wrote

598
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:20,100
himself three little white lights were

599
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,440
equally bright much brighter than any

600
00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:25,200
star or Planet well they find and did

601
00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:27,539
not Sparkle or Flash

602
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:29,640
there's nothing visible between the

603
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:32,940
lights and there's no black triangle or

604
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:35,340
ceiling lighting evidence

605
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,400
there is no other navigation lights red

606
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,520
green or any strobe rotating bigger

607
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:43,440
lights of any kind to make me think they

608
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,020
were commercial or military aircraft

609
00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:48,480
it was completely silent

610
00:26:52,909 --> 00:26:50,520
the relative distance between the lights

611
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,919
mint was maintained until I could no

612
00:26:56,930 --> 00:26:54,480
longer see it

613
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:56,940
lights did not illuminate anything on

614
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,580
the ground or any part of the craft as

615
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:01,200
far as I could see

616
00:27:06,769 --> 00:27:03,960
the lights were still visible as it flew

617
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:06,779
Eastward suggesting there were 180

618
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,940
degree lights and not just downward

619
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:11,039
facing spotlights

620
00:27:15,250 --> 00:27:13,799
there's nothing else unusual in my field

621
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,260
of view

622
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:17,340
transatlantic commercial planes flying

623
00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:19,980
over a height of 35 000 feet and around

624
00:27:25,490 --> 00:27:23,220
500 miles per hour per hour are very

625
00:27:27,769 --> 00:27:25,500
faint light can be heard

626
00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:27,779
flight radar for altitude and

627
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:29,159
information

628
00:27:33,769 --> 00:27:31,860
Take It All the Above into account it

629
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:33,779
would seem to indicate that what I saw

630
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:37,740
was likely to be a large low flying slow

631
00:27:43,549 --> 00:27:40,679
moving possibly solid triangular object

632
00:27:46,690 --> 00:27:43,559
with a bright light at Each corner

633
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,700
I have observed meteor showers a comet

634
00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:49,679
painter satellites iridium satellites

635
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:52,500
players until International Space

636
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:54,900
Station none of these bear any

637
00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:57,299
resemblance to what I saw that night I

638
00:28:02,210 --> 00:27:58,980
have never seen anything in the sky

639
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:02,220
before or since that can be explained

640
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:04,380
the following day the Evening Post the

641
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,700
right carried some of the Witness

642
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,919
stories of the sightings that occurred

643
00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:08,880
that night

644
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:11,640
one exploration I remember was higher

645
00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:13,740
altitude refueling

646
00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:16,500
if what I saw was high altitude

647
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:18,840
refueling they must have had a very long

648
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,320
fewer lines because at 35 000 foot I

649
00:28:25,549 --> 00:28:24,000
would estimate they must have been over

650
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:25,559
a mile apart

651
00:28:30,289 --> 00:28:28,140
not to mention having incredibly bright

652
00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:30,299
lights

653
00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:32,700
high altitude refueling involves a

654
00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:35,400
leading tanker plane followed by yards

655
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,980
behind the plane being revealed

656
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:40,320
I'm guessing at that height at night it

657
00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:42,120
would have looked like one aircraft and

658
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,580
not three separated by a considerable

659
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:45,840
distance

660
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:48,779
if the power had not gone off caused by

661
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:51,000
the object I would not have been looking

662
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:53,159
out of the window I would have missed it

663
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,260
may have been the only person to witness

664
00:28:59,930 --> 00:28:57,840
this particular sighting old Bishops and

665
00:29:02,630 --> 00:28:59,940
it appears to be very similar to the

666
00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:02,640
recent sighting over the comparing Club

667
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:06,600
that was Ken Morse on in 2015.

668
00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:10,260
but this is a this is shows uh the track

669
00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:12,539
that he saw it was going in

670
00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:16,620
yeah from Bishop sent go to Swansea Bay

671
00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:20,340
yeah this is a large black triangle I

672
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,440
suppose it could have been more in the

673
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:24,480
like the size of the Milan brothers and

674
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,220
Roger Williams so

675
00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:28,799
obviously it was a different time and a

676
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:30,179
different location

677
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:34,260
is about an hour or two later

678
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:37,860
I got this video now that's totally with

679
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:51,110
and within a matter of minutes the power

680
00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:54,720
went off now this was a fairly regular

681
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,700
occurrence up here because at the time

682
00:30:02,590 --> 00:29:59,760
we had two things open wires and we need

683
00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:02,600
to blow back to the end it shows up and

684
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:06,179
obviously that was off but on this

685
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:08,100
particular night there was no wind it

686
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:10,980
was a clear night and the power went off

687
00:30:15,769 --> 00:30:13,679
so I did what I usually do under those

688
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:15,779
circumstances they used to get up not

689
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:17,340
through the window to look at the houses

690
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,120
over on Old way to see whether they

691
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:24,000
still had power on and if they did it's

692
00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:27,179
just a problem in our lane but on this

693
00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:29,820
particular night they were off as well

694
00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:32,760
and I was looking out to the window my

695
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:34,980
attention was in need of control to

696
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:38,520
three brilliant bluish white lights four

697
00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:41,340
on a triangle that was slowly moving

698
00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:42,600
over the hands

699
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:47,640
now I knew that from some things that

700
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:49,860
had read in the past that this was one

701
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,140
of the famous black triangles and not

702
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,000
that I could see it was solid all I

703
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:55,919
could see were the three lights

704
00:31:00,769 --> 00:30:58,860
so I didn't I did not take my eyes off

705
00:31:02,169 --> 00:31:00,779
that in case anything happened so I

706
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:02,179
moved on to this end of the window

707
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:05,460
opened the window frame and just

708
00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:08,399
listened and there was absolute silence

709
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,100
now we are in a very quiet way we're

710
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:13,919
quite away from the road we were used to

711
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:40,970
on that particular instance

712
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:43,740
there was nothing visible and I was

713
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:46,380
probably sounding reasonably close to

714
00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:49,860
the window when I was my attention was

715
00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:53,240
drawn up to that angle and there

716
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:56,039
so as I was standing here looking out to

717
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:58,380
the window uh to see whether the lights

718
00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:01,919
are on the line I noticed three bright

719
00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:04,440
white lights in a triangular formation

720
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,039
that had just passed over the lane and

721
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:10,080
the back two lights

722
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:13,980
lined up accurately with the Run of our

723
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,919
gutter in there which to me indicated

724
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:19,200
that it was crossing the lane at 90

725
00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:20,220
degrees

726
00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:23,640
it just carried on very very slowly over

727
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:28,200
there and I then moved to Oakland Raider

728
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:37,490
and even now you can hear that it is

729
00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:41,279
virtually no sound at all so I watched

730
00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:42,899
it from here for a while

731
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,440
until it passed over the trees over

732
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:49,200
there and then got fingering fingering

733
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:50,700
fingers it disappeared in the distance

734
00:33:02,690 --> 00:32:55,140
over to West Cross and ultimately out of

735
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:11,160
foreign

736
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:17,070
[Music]

737
00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:34,009
uh or the space station about the same

738
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,419
size about the same size you could see

739
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:39,360
it wasn't a spot to write it was it

740
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:41,600
actually had a physical shape

741
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:48,710
um it's very difficult enough to do

742
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:50,700
cross-reference to see anything if

743
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:52,500
anybody else could sit next week you

744
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:54,059
know we might have been able to say that

745
00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:56,100
you know said in sort of triangulation

746
00:34:00,649 --> 00:33:57,960
from different memories we could have

747
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:00,659
worked at that because but I would say

748
00:34:05,409 --> 00:34:03,539
that going from the angle and the speed

749
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:05,419
at which you travel across there

750
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:09,359
initially I thought it would have been

751
00:34:13,690 --> 00:34:10,619
about

752
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,700
um sort of commercial uh Airline height

753
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,320
because it was going above the speed

754
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:18,720
that the plane would be going but then

755
00:34:27,129 --> 00:34:21,000
thinking about it if that was of the

756
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:28,970
very large

757
00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:31,020
and

758
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:33,179
um but that was basically on the speed

759
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:34,560
that it was traveling

760
00:34:41,629 --> 00:34:37,260
now then considering that uh commercial

761
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,639
flights go over at about 35 000 seats

762
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:43,040
um I've

763
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:45,780
really recently said there's no way

764
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:48,300
anywhere much higher than possibly 500

765
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,240
to 1000 feet we couldn't physically make

766
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:53,599
any sort of physical form of computers

767
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:09,589
formation

768
00:35:15,050 --> 00:35:12,950
yeah yeah thanks to Lawrence Lowe who's

769
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,060
doing the film and I was he did uh quite

770
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,280
a bit of filming with us in those days

771
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:19,200
um yeah I'm I've often wondered whether

772
00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:21,660
his experience in the UFO

773
00:35:25,329 --> 00:35:22,500
um effect

774
00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:25,339
um influences charge the wallpaper

775
00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:28,680
yeah the little squares rather than

776
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,040
triangles maybe not but

777
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:33,839
um yeah that was uh an interesting one

778
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:35,579
it's particularly

779
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:39,599
that he's there's a power outage as the

780
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:44,990
um it was mentioned in the evening post

781
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:47,640
the following day but the power outage

782
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:50,820
and uh even in post two to the two to

783
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:53,400
form they contacted the uh software's

784
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:54,720
electricity

785
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:58,079
who told them that um they often have

786
00:36:02,270 --> 00:36:00,540
local power outages caused by

787
00:36:04,910 --> 00:36:02,280
branches of trees

788
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:04,920
falling on power lines during strong

789
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,900
winds

790
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:08,640
none of them questioned the fact that it

791
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:10,680
was a very quiet still night and there's

792
00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:16,130
um

793
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,599
then comes up again a bit later it's a

794
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:19,920
very interesting point

795
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:21,300
um

796
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:23,160
yeah that was Bishop's done but uh but

797
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:24,480
that was a bit later in the evening that

798
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:27,000
we've still got quite a few

799
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:29,460
earlier on that tea time coming up yeah

800
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,220
I think on to the next one Mike yeah I

801
00:36:38,290 --> 00:36:34,680
didn't put them in order of times I just

802
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:38,300
put them in order what we had done

803
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:40,740
yesterday's market

804
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:43,680
yeah this is Mark this was uh he was

805
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:45,780
eight years old at the time

806
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:48,300
and he was with his mother and

807
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:51,480
uh his mother sister and a friend they

808
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:53,880
were leaving their house on Tony Hill

809
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:57,119
Road opposite the police station

810
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,260
and

811
00:37:01,490 --> 00:37:00,000
it was early evening he doesn't know the

812
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:01,500
exact time

813
00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:07,200
uh but it was dark and uh they saw

814
00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:10,619
two equilateral triangular shapes

815
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,020
object above them

816
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:15,119
which he described as massive in size

817
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:18,060
and almost stationary so they were

818
00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:20,220
moving very very slowly in the direction

819
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:21,720
of mumbles

820
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:25,260
and these were out over the bay

821
00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:27,780
um and if you know townhill is

822
00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:30,359
the hill above to just immediately to

823
00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:34,020
the north of the city center and uh

824
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:35,579
these were heading out over the bay in

825
00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:37,260
the in the direction of mumbled so I

826
00:37:41,569 --> 00:37:40,140
think we got a video of him yeah

827
00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:41,579
I don't want to say too much because he

828
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:42,780
just repeated it then when we see the

829
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,220
video

830
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:46,320
look what can you tell us about that

831
00:37:51,410 --> 00:37:47,099
night

832
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:51,420
oh he's going um walking my friend home

833
00:37:56,109 --> 00:37:54,660
um it was roughly around seven and I did

834
00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:56,119
confirm that with my mother

835
00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:59,220
uh I just thought I'd get there started

836
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:01,140
walking up my mother said look at that

837
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:03,240
that's very good and we looked at the

838
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:04,320
sky

839
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:07,680
and there was two huge trainers biggest

840
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:09,780
things I've ever seen one in front of

841
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:11,400
the other the left arm is in front of

842
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:13,380
the white one just traveling obviously

843
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:16,440
very slowly no noise to them at all I

844
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:18,180
remember the big white rings

845
00:38:24,589 --> 00:38:20,339
underneath and the lights going off all

846
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:26,569
um I would say roughly

847
00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:28,619
this would be guessing now but roughly

848
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:38,930
but uh yeah I just remember the size of

849
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:39,599
um

850
00:38:44,329 --> 00:38:42,660
if they were if they were down here I

851
00:38:47,290 --> 00:38:44,339
would say it would be bigger than 240

852
00:38:52,270 --> 00:38:50,569
for about 20 minutes roughly so they're

853
00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:52,280
moving quite slowly there are they

854
00:38:57,490 --> 00:38:55,380
hardly moved by the time we left it

855
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:57,500
hardly moves

856
00:39:02,329 --> 00:39:00,960
nothing at all my mother that said let's

857
00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:02,339
go in the end because we had to take my

858
00:39:08,089 --> 00:39:04,200
friend home yeah this mother was waiting

859
00:39:11,089 --> 00:39:08,930
um

860
00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:11,099
the street lights were coming on my

861
00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:12,660
mother confirmed me that it was just

862
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:15,180
getting dark so I thought it was dark

863
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:16,740
but she couldn't just hearing that he

864
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:19,320
was there any lights displayed on these

865
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:21,240
objects yeah there was a white ring

866
00:39:23,450 --> 00:39:22,200
underneath

867
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:23,460
um and there was I remember yellow

868
00:39:26,810 --> 00:39:25,260
lights white lights going off all over

869
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:26,820
it so

870
00:39:33,970 --> 00:39:32,930
it was deep

871
00:39:37,010 --> 00:39:33,980
um

872
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:37,020
the way I imagine you mean the thickness

873
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:40,380
the thickness yeah

874
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:41,640
um thank you

875
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:43,859
I wouldn't know the exact thickness but

876
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:46,619
it was quite deep but looking at it they

877
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:47,520
looked

878
00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:52,560
because they were just too big so these

879
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:53,640
people so they were having their head in

880
00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:02,750
the mark pointing up to exactly where

881
00:40:12,829 --> 00:40:09,849
okay right yeah

882
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:12,839
so we're looking South East there so

883
00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:27,490
foreign

884
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,650
that is wild

885
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,579
yeah

886
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:34,800
I mean the size of two football fields

887
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,560
is colossal you know

888
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:39,359
you'd think that hundreds of hundreds

889
00:40:41,930 --> 00:40:40,740
and hundreds of people must have seen

890
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:41,940
this

891
00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:44,339
bro good food

892
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:46,460
yeah yeah

893
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:49,500
have you have you ever I'm sorry to

894
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:51,660
interrupt have you ever have you spoken

895
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,180
to many witnesses regarding the night of

896
00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:56,160
the triangles who have chosen not to

897
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:58,380
come forward publicly

898
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:01,140
yeah there was one guy came to

899
00:41:04,130 --> 00:41:02,400
um I give up

900
00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:04,140
a presentation at one of our monthly

901
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:05,880
meetings in the early days and then like

902
00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:09,240
in the um in The Welcome Inn

903
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:11,820
and uh

904
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:14,760
I advertise it in the evening post uh

905
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,980
talking about the the night when lots of

906
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,960
triangles are seen on Swansea and uh

907
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,880
this guy came and he told us his story

908
00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:23,280
he didn't want to give his name

909
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:25,560
and then we never saw him since

910
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:27,900
invited to get it off his chest to me

911
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,900
you'd be home for so many years yeah but

912
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,359
he saw it in in Lando and he was

913
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:34,800
actually looking down on it because he

914
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:36,900
was on a hill it was very low in the

915
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,420
valley and where the uh Liberty stadium

916
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:41,280
is now in Swansea the football stadium

917
00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:42,780
in that area

918
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:44,820
so how did he describe the top of the

919
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:46,260
craft

920
00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:48,119
well if he's looking down on it how was

921
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:49,500
his description of that do you remember

922
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:51,720
I think he's what did he say I think he

923
00:41:56,329 --> 00:41:53,160
saw these three

924
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:56,339
got here see he saw the three lights on

925
00:42:11,930 --> 00:41:58,260
the on the dark craft

926
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,450
do you want to just yeah go ahead that

927
00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:16,560
was one uh

928
00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:19,020
instance where nobody reported at the

929
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:21,000
time well most most of the people who

930
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,560
we've been speaking to didn't report it

931
00:42:28,609 --> 00:42:27,119
um I feel we've managed to track them

932
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:28,619
because they did report it because it

933
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:30,420
was in the Evening Post

934
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:32,520
and a lot of people say oh I asked this

935
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,440
triangle yeah and it was it was in the

936
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,760
evening post the following night and

937
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,680
there was a drawing

938
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:39,599
in on the article and it sticks in

939
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,220
people's minds

940
00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:43,680
which is really good because we can take

941
00:42:47,329 --> 00:42:45,900
their site in that we can put them in

942
00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:47,339
the night of the triangles rather than

943
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:49,320
on a different night and we've got to

944
00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:51,540
remember that although things are

945
00:42:56,930 --> 00:42:53,099
changing in this topic now and the

946
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:56,940
stigma is going away now in 1983 it

947
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:58,500
certainly wasn't going away and a lot of

948
00:43:01,069 --> 00:42:59,880
people wouldn't want to be associated

949
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:01,079
with something like this because they

950
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:04,020
would have been seen to be crazy people

951
00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:06,420
hello that's the drawing that was in the

952
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:08,579
Evening Post Yeah

953
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:10,500
well that was written by oh that was

954
00:43:16,030 --> 00:43:13,500
drawn by a lady called June Thomas we've

955
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,040
got to get to those come on

956
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:19,680
we haven't got a video over there I got

957
00:43:28,370 --> 00:43:25,370
all right okay let's move on to the next

958
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:28,380
one yeah okay people stuck in their

959
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:35,690
uh well I just said hang on oh that's

960
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:38,460
that's Natalie ah yeah

961
00:43:41,690 --> 00:43:40,020
no

962
00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:41,700
right going back to the first one we saw

963
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:45,960
awesome Jones yeah yeah at 6 15. two

964
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:48,420
streets down in Beechwood Avenue in the

965
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,280
Uplands

966
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:53,280
Natalie Bowden was 13 year old girl

967
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:55,619
and I saw this video today I was shocked

968
00:44:01,490 --> 00:43:58,020
she said some things that shocked me so

969
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:01,500
yeah carry on yeah right remember Mark

970
00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:03,420
Ray was the last one said it was like a

971
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:04,920
big ring of Lights underneath the

972
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:06,540
triangle yeah

973
00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:10,440
well Natalie described what she called a

974
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,300
stadium of Lights it was like a stadium

975
00:44:15,849 --> 00:44:14,880
like a football stadium underneath the

976
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:15,859
craft

977
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:19,520
it's as if she was underneath it

978
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:22,319
and he was static he wasn't moving at

979
00:44:25,849 --> 00:44:24,420
all and but she can't it was so big she

980
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:25,859
couldn't see the edges of it so whether

981
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,780
it was triangular or Square or round she

982
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:29,520
can't remember but uh I'm not going to

983
00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:31,140
say anymore let Natalie tell us in the

984
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,430
just for the record oh my God this is

985
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,359
not to convince anyone this is you know

986
00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:42,240
my story for me I don't need to convince

987
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:46,020
anyone okay so in the times I was 13 I

988
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:48,060
was sitting in the back room which is

989
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:51,300
next to the kitchen in the Attic and one

990
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:53,099
evening I sit with my dog watching TV

991
00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:56,040
and I just had an urge to get up and go

992
00:45:00,940 --> 00:44:58,740
out and find online but come through the

993
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:00,950
house the dog doesn't follow me

994
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:07,730
so I can

995
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:09,960
that group because came back to the

996
00:45:13,970 --> 00:45:12,480
front and stood on this

997
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:13,980
step right here

998
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:17,099
and in the sky 30 feet above that house

999
00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:19,260
over there is

1000
00:45:24,250 --> 00:45:22,140
a massive view of the central part of it

1001
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,260
is as I said before it's a stay tuned

1002
00:45:29,809 --> 00:45:27,359
like a but the windows are like this

1003
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:29,819
size like you know and but there's a lot

1004
00:45:35,170 --> 00:45:32,760
of lights and I caught the lights were

1005
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:35,180
creams and

1006
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:38,520
okras and pinks and all sorts of kind of

1007
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:39,660
colors and they're all different you

1008
00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:41,160
know I thought it was trying to say

1009
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:44,220
something to me in my in my head but I

1010
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,540
was also sounding you're thinking of

1011
00:45:49,849 --> 00:45:47,760
what to do in that I didn't see the

1012
00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:49,859
circumference of it because it was

1013
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:52,260
immense you know it was a black side or

1014
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:53,520
I was focusing on with the lights

1015
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,900
underneath

1016
00:45:59,809 --> 00:45:57,359
so I'm looking at it wondering why it's

1017
00:46:00,829 --> 00:45:59,819
there for five minutes sometimes and

1018
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:00,839
you're wondering I don't need something

1019
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,000
you know I'm trying to make any sense of

1020
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,040
what I'm saying and logically explain it

1021
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:06,960
in my own head

1022
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:08,760
um so I couldn't make any sense of it

1023
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,260
and then I thought people are thinking

1024
00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:12,420
it'll be a Nutter so I better go so I

1025
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:14,520
started screaming into the house to call

1026
00:46:20,809 --> 00:46:18,480
my brother my sister and my stepfather

1027
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:20,819
so they came out because I was causing

1028
00:46:24,589 --> 00:46:22,859
so much commotion

1029
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:24,599
but the leaves in the streets come out

1030
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:27,359
so I said two across that two up here

1031
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:29,400
one across the so basically in the end

1032
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:31,140
there was about 9 10 of us looking at

1033
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:33,240
this thing

1034
00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:35,460
the other thing is is that it wasn't

1035
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,800
cold anymore the sound in the street it

1036
00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:39,839
felt like a pinnacle that dropped you

1037
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,099
know you could use it here if you've got

1038
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:42,960
there was that kind of

1039
00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:45,180
I don't know just it's still a mess I

1040
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,339
think it's Stillness no sound out of

1041
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,440
this thing that's

1042
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:51,359
but when my stepfather and my sister

1043
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:52,980
finally came

1044
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:55,500
because they stand on your tour

1045
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:57,180
and they're looking

1046
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,619
now can you believe it you know it's a

1047
00:47:04,490 --> 00:47:01,200
it's a UFO you know and he was like wow

1048
00:47:06,109 --> 00:47:04,500
yeah you know another excitement or

1049
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:06,119
interest

1050
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:10,380
at all just kind of like a fell oh yeah

1051
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:13,260
I'll put at this point my stepfather and

1052
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:15,780
my sister didn't get along I'm doing

1053
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:18,060
this to set the scene because it's not

1054
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:20,040
normal what they did next he walked in

1055
00:47:23,809 --> 00:47:22,380
and I said what are you doing and he's

1056
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,819
like I've seen enough

1057
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:26,160
so he steps down mechanically but

1058
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,380
fluidly follows and my sister does

1059
00:47:32,569 --> 00:47:30,720
exactly the same oh my gosh hey what are

1060
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:32,579
you doing so shouldn't you announce me

1061
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:34,680
it's just ultimate which is not normal

1062
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,380
like I said he would never ever fought

1063
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,079
to have stopping us so they went in and

1064
00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:42,240
I'm like well I'm watching it go you

1065
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:44,099
know so I'm standing there so it's been

1066
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:46,380
five minutes I was out on my own I

1067
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:48,300
called that my baby another five minutes

1068
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:49,740
they've gone in

1069
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:51,540
and I'm just standing there and I'm just

1070
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,160
watching it and I'm you know kind of

1071
00:48:05,329 --> 00:47:55,680
looking at the lights wondering you know

1072
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,329
take me away you could even asked it to

1073
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:10,640
give me you know another perspective

1074
00:48:15,230 --> 00:48:13,440
as a kid you're just joking around I'm

1075
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,240
just looking for something that's a

1076
00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:16,800
logic and some sense

1077
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:19,560
so after another five maybe ten minutes

1078
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,200
I was you know I was just really just

1079
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,000
you know I was just looking at it and

1080
00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:25,920
then all of a sudden it wasn't that as

1081
00:48:29,809 --> 00:48:28,140
clear as I'm looking at you too I didn't

1082
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:29,819
see you move but you just don't know

1083
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,859
anymore just blank space I could see the

1084
00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:34,800
stars it felt cold it was windier you

1085
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,900
know that's Stillness and there was

1086
00:48:41,089 --> 00:48:38,640
nobody on the street but me it looked

1087
00:48:44,030 --> 00:48:41,099
across all the houses there's no one

1088
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:44,040
there but what I saw was the central bit

1089
00:48:48,410 --> 00:48:45,540
like so I couldn't see the circumference

1090
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,420
of it but I know that my sister we

1091
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:50,880
discussed it when we went back in so my

1092
00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:52,500
you know I went back and kind of really

1093
00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:56,760
just gutted and upset but

1094
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,859
you know I didn't have enough I didn't

1095
00:49:01,790 --> 00:49:00,240
see a girl that's where I was there I

1096
00:49:04,089 --> 00:49:01,800
just wanted to see it move

1097
00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:04,099
and so I went in and myself

1098
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:07,560
did you see your your program and I was

1099
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:11,040
like you're UFO all right no

1100
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:13,319
um you know just couldn't make any sense

1101
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:16,920
out of it and my sister you know said

1102
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,540
that she well no she didn't we didn't

1103
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,920
discuss it that's the weird thing about

1104
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:22,079
all this is that we didn't discuss it

1105
00:49:26,089 --> 00:49:23,640
with the neighbors again nothing was

1106
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:26,099
discussed the next day no one thought

1107
00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:28,560
the next morning or the next you know my

1108
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,540
day and my stepfather got like newspaper

1109
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:33,359
leaving first and I just felt needed it

1110
00:49:38,329 --> 00:49:35,940
on a page went there's a UFO and it said

1111
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,339
satellite out of orbiting big letters I

1112
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:41,280
think so it was a little story there big

1113
00:49:49,809 --> 00:49:43,619
letters satellites out of orbits all

1114
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:53,450
I was like yeah is it you know but you

1115
00:49:56,329 --> 00:49:54,240
know

1116
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:56,339
yeah that was in the evening in the

1117
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,599
evening posters there was lots of

1118
00:50:02,089 --> 00:49:59,280
theories about what it could be you know

1119
00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:02,099
the authorities saying that was planes

1120
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:03,480
refueling

1121
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,720
uh there was a cosmos satellite uh a

1122
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:08,400
Russian satellite thing due to re

1123
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:10,440
re-enter the atmosphere on the same day

1124
00:50:16,010 --> 00:50:13,020
they were putting it down to that where

1125
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:16,020
the balloon swamp gas

1126
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:18,900
yeah that sort of in that Venus

1127
00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:21,480
incredible interesting point what

1128
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:23,460
Natalie said there was it when it was

1129
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:24,780
happening it was everything was very

1130
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:25,740
still

1131
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:28,380
yeah that was my my I picked up on that

1132
00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:29,700
I couldn't believe it went yeah I

1133
00:50:33,050 --> 00:50:32,099
remember Mike telling me before about

1134
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:33,060
um

1135
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:36,780
is very similar to what somebody else

1136
00:50:40,730 --> 00:50:39,180
has seen and I never caught on to what

1137
00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:40,740
he was on about and you said the same

1138
00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:42,180
thing to me when you interviewed me

1139
00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:43,980
emlin

1140
00:50:48,049 --> 00:50:45,480
um that somebody else had said something

1141
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:48,059
similar and I never I never knew that it

1142
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:50,400
was this when I watched this

1143
00:50:54,829 --> 00:50:52,380
this video today and I couldn't believe

1144
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:54,839
I sent Mike a message is it today or

1145
00:50:58,510 --> 00:50:56,760
yesterday no I carry around today or

1146
00:51:01,370 --> 00:50:58,520
yesterday

1147
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:01,380
is as if everything was

1148
00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:04,800
quiet and still the world had stopped

1149
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:07,319
yeah right now there's another witness

1150
00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:10,680
uh in um a woman called Carol in Cardiff

1151
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,140
Carol Griffiths I think yeah we'll get

1152
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,839
her later yeah but she says about

1153
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,000
everything was sort of still and quiet

1154
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:20,400
and everything had been switched off

1155
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,400
and Jenny Randalls interviewed her time

1156
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:25,440
to know the ufologist Jenny Randalls

1157
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:29,520
yeah and uh she she'd met a lot of UFO

1158
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:30,540
Witnesses

1159
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,480
who said something similar and she had a

1160
00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:35,280
name for it um

1161
00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:40,970
no it's gone

1162
00:51:45,290 --> 00:51:42,780
yeah I should give it a name this sort

1163
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:45,300
of um Stillness but he said as soon as

1164
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,119
we wanted to see it go let's not believe

1165
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:50,160
we're saying that and she said she was

1166
00:51:52,490 --> 00:51:51,420
waiting she wanted to see it do

1167
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:52,500
something because he was just sitting

1168
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:53,520
there

1169
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:55,020
and she waited and waited all of a

1170
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:56,040
sudden

1171
00:51:59,150 --> 00:51:57,540
it wasn't there anymore and the people

1172
00:52:00,349 --> 00:51:59,160
in the street looking weren't there

1173
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:00,359
anymore

1174
00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:02,520
which suggest to me that is missing time

1175
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:05,940
yeah part of her memory had been wiped

1176
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:08,940
and uh the following a couple of days

1177
00:52:12,410 --> 00:52:10,500
later she was in the shower washing her

1178
00:52:14,990 --> 00:52:12,420
out and she found a raised area on the

1179
00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:15,000
head and it was a little bald patch

1180
00:52:19,210 --> 00:52:17,400
but she still has to this day no hair

1181
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,220
grows on it at all

1182
00:52:26,089 --> 00:52:21,839
it's about the size of a two-pench piece

1183
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,099
and it's raised Stones yeah

1184
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,599
I took a photograph of it on the side

1185
00:52:30,349 --> 00:52:29,040
mother got it somewhere

1186
00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:30,359
um

1187
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,260
could there be spoiled and congestory

1188
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:35,520
conjecture but could there be some kind

1189
00:52:38,809 --> 00:52:36,480
of

1190
00:52:41,329 --> 00:52:38,819
like you know something under a skin

1191
00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:41,339
like if you've got implants don't you so

1192
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:44,040
has she ever thought about an MRI or

1193
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:45,960
something like that to scan see what's

1194
00:52:57,890 --> 00:52:54,950
18 years later a local young lad Neil

1195
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:57,900
spring who was doing a lot of UFO I've

1196
00:53:02,210 --> 00:53:00,119
read that but I've read his book yeah he

1197
00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:02,220
contacted Natalie or she contacted him I

1198
00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:04,020
can't remember and

1199
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:06,900
uh he he wanted to set up a hypnosis

1200
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:09,480
session with her but um

1201
00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:12,420
I don't think it came to fruitions but

1202
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:15,300
now we something that we might be able

1203
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,180
to uh pursue another interesting thing

1204
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:20,280
Napoli said was the fact a sister and a

1205
00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:22,440
stepfather yeah they were just

1206
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:25,140
disinterested yeah that was the other

1207
00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:27,420
thing that hit me I've had the same

1208
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:29,220
thing all my life with people you know

1209
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,319
I've been I've been at firework displays

1210
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:33,599
and I've pointed out things in the sky

1211
00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:35,940
and I even had a laser pen and pointed

1212
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:37,740
the one time and I was literally showing

1213
00:53:42,730 --> 00:53:40,319
everyone look at that and it was

1214
00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:42,740
complete disinterest

1215
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,000
it was shocking you know it was like

1216
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,040
there's a UFO don't you want to see a

1217
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:49,680
UFO I mean most people would say yeah

1218
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,740
I'd love to see a UFO for myself but

1219
00:53:55,609 --> 00:53:54,480
every every time I pointed him out told

1220
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,619
us interest

1221
00:54:01,549 --> 00:53:57,599
Ed that she was watching TV or something

1222
00:54:03,770 --> 00:54:01,559
and she had a a notion to go outside

1223
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:03,780
which is why she went outside and then

1224
00:54:08,329 --> 00:54:05,220
she caught she saw this thing she called

1225
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:08,339
her stepfather and a sister it's as if

1226
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:10,020
it was only it was meant for her to see

1227
00:54:15,049 --> 00:54:12,780
but not them yeah it was sort of like

1228
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:15,059
phased out they weren't interested I

1229
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,140
think oh yeah that's the thing yeah

1230
00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:18,240
years later when Neil spring contacted

1231
00:54:23,930 --> 00:54:21,000
her she contacted a sister

1232
00:54:26,329 --> 00:54:23,940
to ask about it years later an assistant

1233
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:26,339
thought oh that was a dream I dreamed

1234
00:54:31,309 --> 00:54:28,500
that didn't I

1235
00:54:32,530 --> 00:54:31,319
mad I'm a step dad can you remind me at

1236
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:32,540
all

1237
00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:35,160
even as a dream and the fact that there

1238
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,380
were ten neighbors outside and you've

1239
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:39,839
never heard from those 10 neighbors and

1240
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:41,460
yet she is I mean it's clearly the same

1241
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:43,020
night as everyone else was seeing the

1242
00:54:46,609 --> 00:54:44,640
same things going on right across South

1243
00:54:48,349 --> 00:54:46,619
Wales so it certainly happened this is

1244
00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:48,359
not something she's imagined

1245
00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:50,520
yeah because there's six there's 60 plus

1246
00:54:54,349 --> 00:54:52,020
other Witnesses

1247
00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:54,359
yeah it's very very strange and the fact

1248
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,099
she's saying it was rooftop level as

1249
00:55:00,650 --> 00:54:57,839
well similar to the guy that's just up

1250
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,660
at the next street up yeah was two

1251
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:02,640
streets up this is actually incredible I

1252
00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:04,380
call it Beachwood Avenue it's Beachwood

1253
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:06,839
Road it is uh you've got long Oaks

1254
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:08,700
Avenue where all Sloan was living then

1255
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:10,500
you got uh Gower Road

1256
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:12,180
and I think two streets down from that

1257
00:55:17,870 --> 00:55:14,220
then is Beechwood Road

1258
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:17,880
and uh yeah it's a good one she's very

1259
00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:20,640
credible very incredible I thought also

1260
00:55:25,490 --> 00:55:22,680
she she asked her mother

1261
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:25,500
if she died and he had trauma or any

1262
00:55:30,589 --> 00:55:28,140
injuries to her head

1263
00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:30,599
see if that if that lump was caused by

1264
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:32,760
anything and the man said no no you

1265
00:55:37,309 --> 00:55:35,160
haven't had any head traumas or anything

1266
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:37,319
no uh nothing to be in hospital phone

1267
00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:38,760
with your head

1268
00:55:42,349 --> 00:55:40,920
so there's no reason for that lump to be

1269
00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:42,359
there

1270
00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:44,819
yeah all right next

1271
00:55:51,230 --> 00:55:46,440
next

1272
00:55:55,970 --> 00:55:52,730
um in uh

1273
00:55:58,970 --> 00:55:55,980
an area of Neath near brinkhook

1274
00:56:01,130 --> 00:55:58,980
uh Daphne Road I think it's called yes

1275
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:01,140
young lady was about 12 years old out on

1276
00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:03,900
his bike outside and looking down

1277
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:06,900
towards the Southwest towards Swansea

1278
00:56:13,490 --> 00:56:11,280
where BP clandassi had an oil refinery

1279
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,500
uh BP had a big old Refinery at

1280
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:15,839
clandassi which is now no longer there

1281
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:16,680
anymore

1282
00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:18,420
uh he saw

1283
00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:21,300
red lights in triangular formation over

1284
00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:22,920
the uh

1285
00:56:28,820 --> 00:56:25,500
over the refinery let's let's see what

1286
00:56:28,830 --> 00:56:32,390
[Music]

1287
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,450
um at the time I was living in 31.1

1288
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,270
I lived there there was no page around

1289
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,440
the house was just being straight onto

1290
00:56:47,690 --> 00:56:44,880
the grass

1291
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:47,700
um I was out playing on my BMX right on

1292
00:56:52,970 --> 00:56:49,740
the corner there right by the pavement

1293
00:56:55,010 --> 00:56:52,980
on my BMX and it was it was already gone

1294
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:55,020
dark it was pitch dark even though it

1295
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:56,640
was an easier because of the genre and

1296
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:58,079
it was dark

1297
00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:00,540
um and all my bank over towards the

1298
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:02,940
corner of the street here between

1299
00:57:07,309 --> 00:57:05,280
Capricorn

1300
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:07,319
under

1301
00:57:13,849 --> 00:57:10,020
the BP Foundation oil refineries on the

1302
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,859
top of the area the top 8.65 and I can

1303
00:57:18,650 --> 00:57:15,839
see two triangular craft

1304
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:18,660
uh hovering about the works

1305
00:57:25,069 --> 00:57:22,140
uh the two trans aircraft that consisted

1306
00:57:27,049 --> 00:57:25,079
of six red lights in total so there's

1307
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,059
three red lights on each try on their

1308
00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:29,760
craft uh on each of the corners of the

1309
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:32,220
triangles let's just put my glasses

1310
00:57:38,089 --> 00:57:36,240
and the craft was sort of moving slowly

1311
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:38,099
over the works

1312
00:57:43,849 --> 00:57:41,160
so they'll give me that sort of motion

1313
00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:43,859
almost as well they were scanning

1314
00:57:48,829 --> 00:57:45,900
the area below them

1315
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:48,839
and they watch it I started us I

1316
00:57:53,089 --> 00:57:51,540
immediately knew something strange was

1317
00:57:55,069 --> 00:57:53,099
happening I knew I was witnessing

1318
00:57:58,130 --> 00:57:55,079
something amazing didn't know what it

1319
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:58,140
was but I knew it was something strange

1320
00:58:02,210 --> 00:57:59,280
going on

1321
00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:02,220
it was super short while and then I ran

1322
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:05,160
into my house around the back door into

1323
00:58:28,609 --> 00:58:25,549
I can't remember what happened then

1324
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:28,619
but I skipped for what a day and then

1325
00:58:33,950 --> 00:58:31,140
the next day on the front page of the

1326
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:33,960
evening course was this story

1327
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:37,260
100 sport Ministry like Silver City

1328
00:58:42,049 --> 00:58:39,660
and I sold that story to my mother

1329
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:42,059
and she couldn't believe it she couldn't

1330
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:44,460
believe the other story and she

1331
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:46,740
regretted so much you're coming out to

1332
00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:48,180
see the light swimming to see the

1333
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:49,020
bathroom

1334
00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:51,839
so that's pretty much the story really

1335
00:58:55,870 --> 00:58:53,700
you came up here last week and he took a

1336
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:55,880
photograph and you've made a mock-up

1337
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:58,160
video

1338
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:00,660
on the same year

1339
00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:03,720
uh CGI reconstruction yeah and here it

1340
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:06,119
is it's on a few miles away but yeah

1341
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,990
please

1342
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:18,670
yeah

1343
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:21,119
it shows how large they must have been

1344
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:24,480
because I could clearly see them the

1345
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:25,920
first Witnesses you're the first witness

1346
00:59:30,109 --> 00:59:27,839
that we Tracked Down outside Swansea

1347
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:30,119
apart from this incredible that's a long

1348
00:59:43,250 --> 00:59:39,770
Simon actually contacted us after we had

1349
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:43,260
a bit of publicity in the paper for

1350
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,760
uh about what we do in soufon and uh I

1351
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,200
think I mentioned something about uh

1352
00:59:52,670 --> 00:59:50,880
this this night to be called The Night

1353
00:59:55,549 --> 00:59:52,680
of the triangles with lots of triangle

1354
00:59:57,530 --> 00:59:55,559
crafts were seen in January 1983

1355
00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:57,540
and then the

1356
01:00:01,789 --> 00:59:59,700
he sent me an email or a message on

1357
01:00:03,770 --> 01:00:01,799
Facebook I can't know what he said that

1358
01:00:06,490 --> 01:00:03,780
uh when he saw this in the paper he was

1359
01:00:09,470 --> 01:00:06,500
having his tea and he nearly choked

1360
01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:09,480
he said oh my God my Sultan's in the

1361
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:11,160
paper they've even got a name for it the

1362
01:00:14,990 --> 01:00:13,020
Knight of the triangle so um he was

1363
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:15,000
really excited and

1364
01:00:19,069 --> 01:00:16,980
he's so enthusiastic he's actually

1365
01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:19,079
making a film on his as you can see he's

1366
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:20,760
pretty good with um

1367
01:00:24,589 --> 01:00:23,280
caboodle graphics and uh he's he's

1368
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:24,599
tracked down a couple of witnesses

1369
01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:27,839
himself and he he's making a film called

1370
01:00:34,250 --> 01:00:31,980
triangles he was neat yeah yes that's

1371
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:36,829
we are gonna have some kind of input in

1372
01:00:40,490 --> 01:00:38,040
this we're going to help each other

1373
01:00:43,010 --> 01:00:40,500
because he he's managed to track a few

1374
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,020
Witnesses done that we didn't know about

1375
01:00:48,589 --> 01:00:45,599
and he wants to interview the ones we've

1376
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,599
met so we can work together on this

1377
01:00:52,849 --> 01:00:50,640
that's a picture of kilray Health which

1378
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:52,859
there's a there's a radio Master on top

1379
01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:55,079
of Kilby Hill which is a big hill above

1380
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,000
next to city center

1381
01:01:01,549 --> 01:00:59,760
and uh a lot of the a lot of the

1382
01:01:03,950 --> 01:01:01,559
witnesses said that they saw this craft

1383
01:01:06,589 --> 01:01:03,960
over kill the hill so

1384
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:06,599
nice reconstruction he's made there yeah

1385
01:01:11,450 --> 01:01:09,180
Simon actually showed us a trailer last

1386
01:01:13,309 --> 01:01:11,460
night uh with the guys didn't we saw it

1387
01:01:15,770 --> 01:01:13,319
for the first time yeah it's very

1388
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,780
professionally well put together and

1389
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,760
I think it's going to be is he's going

1390
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:19,440
to hope to try and get it on prime or

1391
01:01:23,289 --> 01:01:21,180
Netflix or something and it looks good

1392
01:01:25,849 --> 01:01:23,299
enough to get on them as well

1393
01:01:28,010 --> 01:01:25,859
his lighting was quite distant it was a

1394
01:01:29,809 --> 01:01:28,020
few miles away but he'd had such a

1395
01:01:33,650 --> 01:01:29,819
profound effect on him that he's he's

1396
01:01:37,250 --> 01:01:33,660
doing this knows years later he's based

1397
01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:37,260
his triangle for the film on what Mark

1398
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:40,380
rayvott so yeah he's got he's got a

1399
01:01:43,549 --> 01:01:41,760
quote at the bottom there on the poster

1400
01:01:46,609 --> 01:01:43,559
it traveled from Kill by hell over to

1401
01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:46,619
clandassi in about a second now that

1402
01:01:50,809 --> 01:01:49,500
that was a quote from Leanne Gaskins you

1403
01:01:53,089 --> 01:01:50,819
see next

1404
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:53,099
she knows it's coming up though we

1405
01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:55,980
haven't got a video of her but um Steve

1406
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:58,020
and I went to her house and skew in she

1407
01:02:05,089 --> 01:01:59,760
still lives in skewing and got the full

1408
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,130
she what she says is pretty amazing

1409
01:02:11,870 --> 01:02:09,359
we'll come to that in a minute if we've

1410
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:11,880
got time over an hour now

1411
01:02:18,349 --> 01:02:14,400
what's next Mike

1412
01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:18,359
this one is brindle roboshay

1413
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:21,180
Robert say yeah now Rob was with his

1414
01:02:26,569 --> 01:02:24,480
mates Conrad Edwards they were about

1415
01:02:29,089 --> 01:02:26,579
12 years old at the time I think

1416
01:02:31,490 --> 01:02:29,099
and they were in the Bryn Mill area of

1417
01:02:32,690 --> 01:02:31,500
Swansea and I think they'd been on a

1418
01:02:34,130 --> 01:02:32,700
paper round or they were coming back

1419
01:02:38,510 --> 01:02:34,140
from rugby

1420
01:02:43,130 --> 01:02:41,630
the image which is in my head I can

1421
01:02:44,890 --> 01:02:43,140
remember seeing that image in the paper

1422
01:02:47,450 --> 01:02:44,900
on the front page

1423
01:02:49,069 --> 01:02:47,460
and whatever that and they had the

1424
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:49,079
triangle with the four or the three

1425
01:03:00,349 --> 01:02:59,329
she was working then

1426
01:03:03,370 --> 01:03:00,359
remember

1427
01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:05,569
she wasn't even working she actually saw

1428
01:03:09,789 --> 01:03:07,140
three

1429
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:09,799
reporting the problem

1430
01:03:15,970 --> 01:03:12,720
she just saw one disappearing behind the

1431
01:03:18,049 --> 01:03:15,980
building and then she saw this because

1432
01:03:20,750 --> 01:03:18,059
for me as I said it was very difficult

1433
01:03:23,390 --> 01:03:20,760
to get engagement with the size

1434
01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:23,400
um big I mean if I'm trying to describe

1435
01:03:27,049 --> 01:03:25,380
to you size wise and I can look for a

1436
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,059
comparison

1437
01:03:31,569 --> 01:03:29,280
so I'm just gonna pull back if I was

1438
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:31,579
trying to sort of say from that wire

1439
01:03:37,849 --> 01:03:34,079
uh say about halfway down down to

1440
01:03:43,609 --> 01:03:37,859
possibly the next wire in the site that

1441
01:03:48,890 --> 01:03:47,210
um no no maybe not as far down as that

1442
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,900
but it was certainly come down to there

1443
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:50,880
in terms of the length of it going back

1444
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,500
so that's it but because it was coming

1445
01:03:55,970 --> 01:03:54,480
up that's what I used to recall during

1446
01:04:00,109 --> 01:03:55,980
the feeder that was really really bad

1447
01:04:03,650 --> 01:04:01,789
um but as I said it came out maybe the

1448
01:04:04,970 --> 01:04:03,660
excuse of the size it was you think if

1449
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,980
it was really really high he would be

1450
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:06,960
yeah exactly three miles across because

1451
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:09,359
it was dark I mean you know as I said in

1452
01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:12,000
the past you'd often see aircraft where

1453
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,500
they would have delayed sound if they

1454
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:15,839
were further away or maybe whatever but

1455
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:17,280
there was just no sound and I think that

1456
01:04:21,470 --> 01:04:19,920
was apparently it was definitely

1457
01:04:22,849 --> 01:04:21,480
um mechanical I think because obviously

1458
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,859
that the lights there I say I can't

1459
01:04:25,130 --> 01:04:24,000
remember whether they were flying I

1460
01:04:26,569 --> 01:04:25,140
can't remember any features underneath

1461
01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:26,579
it I couldn't see I could just see the

1462
01:04:30,370 --> 01:04:27,780
silhouette because literally just see

1463
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,380
the silhouette

1464
01:04:34,670 --> 01:04:32,640
went that way

1465
01:04:35,870 --> 01:04:34,680
um I said it was just not sound there

1466
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:35,880
was no sound it's a couple of street

1467
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:38,940
lights here that presumably and all the

1468
01:05:01,970 --> 01:04:59,690
it was a silhouette as I said it was

1469
01:05:03,890 --> 01:05:01,980
quite because it was dark you could see

1470
01:05:05,930 --> 01:05:03,900
the silhouette there but it wasn't if it

1471
01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:05,940
was there was a big contrast if that

1472
01:05:11,030 --> 01:05:07,980
makes kind of sense uh the lights should

1473
01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:11,040
be defined where the shape was

1474
01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:13,020
um but the other thing as I said which

1475
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:19,789
and I couldn't understand how something

1476
01:05:24,530 --> 01:05:22,319
of that size

1477
01:05:30,370 --> 01:05:24,540
um you could go that slow and make them

1478
01:05:35,650 --> 01:05:32,809
this was again this is just a few

1479
01:05:39,289 --> 01:05:35,660
streets away from where Natalie was

1480
01:05:40,809 --> 01:05:39,299
again but go in all similar descriptions

1481
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:40,819
it's amazing yeah

1482
01:05:46,609 --> 01:05:44,880
I believe he actually knew Natalie

1483
01:05:48,829 --> 01:05:46,619
yeah

1484
01:05:50,809 --> 01:05:48,839
the slow pace seems to be a running

1485
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:50,819
theme amongst these stories definitely

1486
01:05:57,530 --> 01:05:53,280
and the height well very low to the

1487
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,540
ground massive silent

1488
01:06:00,650 --> 01:05:59,760
it is impressive must have I must have

1489
01:06:04,490 --> 01:06:00,660
been

1490
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,500
and as so we've all we've heard we've

1491
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,720
seen heard these stories from their

1492
01:06:11,950 --> 01:06:08,400
General members of the public but were

1493
01:06:19,150 --> 01:06:11,960
there any officials who saw this uh

1494
01:06:25,450 --> 01:06:21,349
I think we've done all the videos have

1495
01:06:28,849 --> 01:06:27,710
we've got somebody to talk to us about

1496
01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:28,859
one

1497
01:06:34,270 --> 01:06:29,700
okay

1498
01:06:39,770 --> 01:06:38,029
I'm Jeff from Tom Hill

1499
01:06:41,470 --> 01:06:39,780
okay so you want me to talk about mine

1500
01:06:44,270 --> 01:06:41,480
here

1501
01:06:46,190 --> 01:06:44,280
okay I'm gonna do this quick because

1502
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,200
we've got so many to go so I was 15

1503
01:06:49,849 --> 01:06:48,240
years old

1504
01:06:51,049 --> 01:06:49,859
um are you gonna watch a video or are

1505
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:51,059
you good or do you want to talk about it

1506
01:06:55,309 --> 01:06:52,799
you just might as well talk to it I've

1507
01:06:57,529 --> 01:06:55,319
got a clip of you looking at the

1508
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:57,539
direction it was going and that's good

1509
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:59,640
that is um

1510
01:07:04,609 --> 01:07:01,200
look at

1511
01:07:07,069 --> 01:07:04,619
um the Leisure Center okay I was 15

1512
01:07:09,470 --> 01:07:07,079
years old I'm still in school

1513
01:07:12,589 --> 01:07:09,480
um I literally find myself in a in a

1514
01:07:15,529 --> 01:07:12,599
field with no idea of how I got there

1515
01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:15,539
um I had no memory of the whole day

1516
01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:18,359
um I literally I'm looking up at the sky

1517
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:20,460
and as I'm looking at the sky the whole

1518
01:07:25,370 --> 01:07:23,039
Sky moved I thought I was looking at

1519
01:07:28,250 --> 01:07:25,380
stars I was thinking what a bright nice

1520
01:07:30,109 --> 01:07:28,260
beautiful starry night was basically the

1521
01:07:31,730 --> 01:07:30,119
sort of thoughts going through my head I

1522
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,740
hadn't even thought where am I or what

1523
01:07:34,490 --> 01:07:33,119
am I doing here at this point I was

1524
01:07:36,770 --> 01:07:34,500
literally looking at the sky and looking

1525
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:36,780
at the stars and then the whole Sky

1526
01:07:42,829 --> 01:07:39,119
moved and as as it moved I could see

1527
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:42,839
that they were it was a wedge-shaped

1528
01:07:46,910 --> 01:07:45,119
um craft he was either one wedge-shaped

1529
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,920
craft or three I'm not partic I'm not

1530
01:07:50,270 --> 01:07:48,240
sure but

1531
01:07:52,609 --> 01:07:50,280
um there was there were the front of it

1532
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,619
there was a row of Lights just like the

1533
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,480
Phoenix Lights but much smaller lights

1534
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,119
and tightly packed so there's one row of

1535
01:08:01,130 --> 01:07:59,280
those and then there was another row and

1536
01:08:03,049 --> 01:08:01,140
I think that was one craft and then

1537
01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:03,059
behind that was the same again

1538
01:08:09,410 --> 01:08:05,700
two more rows and then same again two

1539
01:08:12,049 --> 01:08:09,420
more rows I I had no idea what I was

1540
01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:12,059
doing there but literally

1541
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:13,740
um I'm looking at the sky the whole Sky

1542
01:08:19,249 --> 01:08:17,040
moves and as it moves I suddenly wake

1543
01:08:21,650 --> 01:08:19,259
from my day sort of thing and I'm I

1544
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:21,660
noticed that I'm you know the it's

1545
01:08:26,269 --> 01:08:24,120
completely silent

1546
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:26,279
um the the area around me I can't hear I

1547
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,600
couldn't hear a pin drop same as

1548
01:08:32,090 --> 01:08:29,759
Nathalie said just now

1549
01:08:34,430 --> 01:08:32,100
um I felt like I was in a bubble

1550
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:34,440
um and that I was you know away from the

1551
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,239
rest of the world watching this going on

1552
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:38,640
basically and

1553
01:08:43,070 --> 01:08:41,160
um but as soon as it moved I got my

1554
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,080
bearings I looked around there was fog

1555
01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:45,600
all around the fields

1556
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:47,100
um you could see there

1557
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:48,480
um I got my bearings because there's a

1558
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:50,100
Leisure Center you could see in in the

1559
01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:52,500
background there behind emlin and at

1560
01:08:56,030 --> 01:08:54,060
that time the laser set is closed now

1561
01:08:58,490 --> 01:08:56,040
but in 1983 it was still open and all

1562
01:09:00,349 --> 01:08:58,500
the lights would be on at night and I

1563
01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:00,359
and I looked there and I knew where I

1564
01:09:04,910 --> 01:09:02,940
was so I took one more look I watched

1565
01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:04,920
this craft move away enough and I

1566
01:09:09,950 --> 01:09:07,020
thought to myself this is a bit dodgy

1567
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,960
and I literally ran home I I get home

1568
01:09:14,570 --> 01:09:12,000
and because I didn't know where I'd been

1569
01:09:16,130 --> 01:09:14,580
all day I get to the front door and I

1570
01:09:17,930 --> 01:09:16,140
didn't see anyone all the way home that

1571
01:09:20,570 --> 01:09:17,940
was strange in itself because it was a

1572
01:09:22,189 --> 01:09:20,580
very busy estate and at that time 1983

1573
01:09:23,689 --> 01:09:22,199
all the neighbors knew each other we

1574
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,699
used to you know everyone go to each

1575
01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:25,920
other's homes and always be out on the

1576
01:09:29,689 --> 01:09:27,960
streets chatting and but the streets

1577
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:29,699
were completely empty there wasn't a car

1578
01:09:34,249 --> 01:09:32,640
driving around again which was strange

1579
01:09:35,809 --> 01:09:34,259
um so I get home and I think to myself

1580
01:09:37,970 --> 01:09:35,819
I'm going to get into trouble I don't

1581
01:09:39,650 --> 01:09:37,980
know where I've been all day

1582
01:09:41,630 --> 01:09:39,660
um so I'll go around the back of the

1583
01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:41,640
house and I literally went around the

1584
01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:43,380
back of my house climbed the drain pipe

1585
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:45,060
to my house climbed in through the

1586
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:47,040
bathroom window went to bed

1587
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:49,140
and then I was expecting thinking I'm

1588
01:09:51,709 --> 01:09:50,640
going to get it in the morning off my

1589
01:09:52,910 --> 01:09:51,719
parents

1590
01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:52,920
um because I've obviously done something

1591
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,360
because I've got no memory of what's

1592
01:09:58,729 --> 01:09:56,640
going on or I may have done something I

1593
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:58,739
literally go downstairs for breakfast

1594
01:10:02,930 --> 01:10:01,199
nothing gets said to me apart from my

1595
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:02,940
mother saying to me

1596
01:10:08,810 --> 01:10:05,280
um why didn't you clean your rugby boots

1597
01:10:10,970 --> 01:10:08,820
yesterday so I know from that that was a

1598
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,980
Wednesday because we always used to play

1599
01:10:14,930 --> 01:10:12,960
um the day before the day this happened

1600
01:10:17,330 --> 01:10:14,940
was a Wednesday because we always used

1601
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:17,340
to play rugby in school on a Wednesday I

1602
01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:18,719
hadn't cleaned my Rugby boots which

1603
01:10:22,850 --> 01:10:20,760
meant I'd been to school because my

1604
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:22,860
Rugby boots were dirty

1605
01:10:28,610 --> 01:10:26,400
um my my parents didn't say a word to me

1606
01:10:30,590 --> 01:10:28,620
and so I I took advantage of the fact I

1607
01:10:32,510 --> 01:10:30,600
thought I'd got away with it and I never

1608
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:32,520
spoke to my parents about it we actually

1609
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:34,920
moved home about two weeks after the

1610
01:10:40,250 --> 01:10:38,400
event so I uh we moved to into Newport

1611
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:40,260
away from caldicot which is the school I

1612
01:10:45,169 --> 01:10:42,540
used to go to so I didn't feel I only

1613
01:10:46,430 --> 01:10:45,179
had weeks left in school you know and I

1614
01:10:48,110 --> 01:10:46,440
was going to be leaving school so I

1615
01:10:51,229 --> 01:10:48,120
didn't feel I needed to tell my friends

1616
01:10:53,630 --> 01:10:51,239
I didn't tell my parents I didn't tell a

1617
01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:53,640
soul I literally until about 12 months

1618
01:10:58,130 --> 01:10:56,040
ago I'd never told anyone on the planet

1619
01:11:02,030 --> 01:10:58,140
and that I happened to mention because I

1620
01:11:03,709 --> 01:11:02,040
just joined not recently joined um UFO

1621
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:03,719
Twitter and I mentioned to the author

1622
01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:05,280
Bruce Fenton about

1623
01:11:08,930 --> 01:11:06,540
um what had happened with me and what

1624
01:11:10,490 --> 01:11:08,940
I'd seen and he said to me

1625
01:11:12,530 --> 01:11:10,500
that sounds like the night of the

1626
01:11:14,510 --> 01:11:12,540
triangles and you you guys know Bruce

1627
01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:14,520
because he comes to your meetings and

1628
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:15,900
that's how you guys knew him I didn't

1629
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:18,239
know any of this at that time and he

1630
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:19,920
basically put me onto it and I worked

1631
01:11:23,689 --> 01:11:21,480
out the dates and it was exactly the

1632
01:11:25,970 --> 01:11:23,699
same date yeah I knew the date because

1633
01:11:28,729 --> 01:11:25,980
we moved the same year and everything

1634
01:11:31,490 --> 01:11:28,739
else fitted for me so that was basically

1635
01:11:33,950 --> 01:11:31,500
my case like you say it fitted you know

1636
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:33,960
with with Natalie saying about

1637
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:36,960
um it was like a pin drop and uh you

1638
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,880
know it was it all I couldn't believe it

1639
01:11:43,729 --> 01:11:40,080
when I hear to say that it was like

1640
01:11:45,649 --> 01:11:43,739
exactly the same sort of thing yeah

1641
01:11:47,209 --> 01:11:45,659
did yeah I got about an hour and a half

1642
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:47,219
of missing time or something like that

1643
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:49,199
and yeah I mentioned at the beginning

1644
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:51,120
this is Underwood which is east of

1645
01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:52,560
Newport so this is the first one we're

1646
01:11:58,850 --> 01:11:54,780
looking at tonight out of outside well

1647
01:12:01,250 --> 01:11:58,860
the Swansea area we didn't eat and uh

1648
01:12:02,750 --> 01:12:01,260
yeah this I remember what Jenny Randalls

1649
01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:02,760
called it now when she interviewed the

1650
01:12:08,990 --> 01:12:05,340
woman the witness from Cardiff Carol

1651
01:12:10,370 --> 01:12:09,000
Griffiths uh she called it the Oz Factor

1652
01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:10,380
what was it sorry

1653
01:12:19,070 --> 01:12:17,209
yeah that this sort of like everything's

1654
01:12:20,450 --> 01:12:19,080
quiet and still like the world has

1655
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:20,460
stopped and you're in a bubble like you

1656
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:21,600
said

1657
01:12:28,610 --> 01:12:25,679
uh that's just what Carol yeah exactly

1658
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:28,620
like that until this thing moved I was I

1659
01:12:32,030 --> 01:12:30,239
felt like I was in a bubble and I was

1660
01:12:34,729 --> 01:12:32,040
all on my own and I couldn't hear a

1661
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:34,739
thing around me and it was like as soon

1662
01:12:38,270 --> 01:12:36,719
as it moved it was the middle of winter

1663
01:12:41,390 --> 01:12:38,280
like we've been saying you know it was

1664
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:41,400
freezing cold January in the UK and I

1665
01:12:45,050 --> 01:12:42,900
have stood in that for the t-shirt and a

1666
01:12:46,669 --> 01:12:45,060
pair of jeans on with no no memory of

1667
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:46,679
the day in fact no memory the previous

1668
01:12:51,709 --> 01:12:49,920
day either I had zero memory you know I

1669
01:12:54,530 --> 01:12:51,719
didn't remember going to school I didn't

1670
01:12:56,570 --> 01:12:54,540
ever say a word to anyone I mean it was

1671
01:12:58,370 --> 01:12:56,580
very strange it was very strange

1672
01:13:01,850 --> 01:12:58,380
and were you left with any physical

1673
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:01,860
traces like that last woman I have got a

1674
01:13:05,689 --> 01:13:03,840
mark on my head as well yeah yeah really

1675
01:13:07,490 --> 01:13:05,699
but I don't know whether that was for

1676
01:13:09,950 --> 01:13:07,500
then you know it's only because my wife

1677
01:13:11,810 --> 01:13:09,960
cut my hair and said what's that Mark on

1678
01:13:14,270 --> 01:13:11,820
your head I'd never even knew I had a

1679
01:13:15,709 --> 01:13:14,280
mark you know that was the first time

1680
01:13:17,149 --> 01:13:15,719
anyone had ever said anything it's only

1681
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:17,159
because I popped down and she cut my

1682
01:13:20,830 --> 01:13:18,719
hair and said what's that Mark and I I

1683
01:13:24,169 --> 01:13:20,840
I've got a mark on my head as well yeah

1684
01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:24,179
geez yeah it's quite interesting because

1685
01:13:31,370 --> 01:13:28,380
Mark also said when he saw his

1686
01:13:34,850 --> 01:13:31,380
um triangles they're hardly moved

1687
01:13:37,310 --> 01:13:34,860
and Natalie was looking outside for five

1688
01:13:39,229 --> 01:13:37,320
to ten minutes and it wasn't moving you

1689
01:13:41,169 --> 01:13:39,239
know so it's quite interesting it was

1690
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:41,179
the same same in mind it was literally

1691
01:13:46,490 --> 01:13:44,400
very drifting drifting drifting you know

1692
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:46,500
it's like it was totally so this thing

1693
01:13:52,610 --> 01:13:48,960
should have fallen over the sky you know

1694
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:52,620
it's crazy said in the last video that

1695
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,960
um it was moving very very slowly and he

1696
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,120
couldn't work out why something's so big

1697
01:14:03,169 --> 01:13:59,520
was moving so slowly and without the

1698
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,179
sound as well so yeah have you got Peter

1699
01:14:08,570 --> 01:14:06,000
watkins's video on him oh I forgot all

1700
01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:08,580
about his yeah it was Peter was up until

1701
01:14:14,570 --> 01:14:12,360
Hill just like Mark was and he saw

1702
01:14:16,490 --> 01:14:14,580
I've got his

1703
01:14:19,250 --> 01:14:16,500
thing here

1704
01:14:22,490 --> 01:14:19,260
now I forgot all about Peters well I got

1705
01:14:24,649 --> 01:14:22,500
Peter's thing here on my my paper file

1706
01:14:26,090 --> 01:14:24,659
uh he was living in Tyler Crescent in

1707
01:14:27,890 --> 01:14:26,100
town hill

1708
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:27,900
which overlooked Swansea Bay facing

1709
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,020
south and he'd gone out to the car when

1710
01:14:35,810 --> 01:14:33,600
he noticed he saw a triangular craft

1711
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,820
which had lights at each tip

1712
01:14:41,330 --> 01:14:38,400
it was silent and approximately at least

1713
01:14:43,790 --> 01:14:41,340
500 feet in at altitude the object

1714
01:14:47,330 --> 01:14:43,800
traveled east to west

1715
01:14:49,490 --> 01:14:47,340
from Kilby Hill area towards Getty so

1716
01:14:50,689 --> 01:14:49,500
Esau is going east to west

1717
01:14:52,910 --> 01:14:50,699
all right

1718
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:52,920
Mark saw his going sort of very very

1719
01:14:57,290 --> 01:14:55,080
slowly towards the South didn't he yeah

1720
01:14:59,870 --> 01:14:57,300
and that's the same base that Natalie's

1721
01:15:01,850 --> 01:14:59,880
was sort of unfilled with sort of slowly

1722
01:15:05,930 --> 01:15:01,860
going and I think he says this is

1723
01:15:09,530 --> 01:15:07,970
uh it was visible for five to ten

1724
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:09,540
minutes before it disappeared towards

1725
01:15:13,010 --> 01:15:11,280
the upper London Sketty Direction Over

1726
01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:13,020
the rivers of houses

1727
01:15:17,390 --> 01:15:15,060
he mentioned it to his wife Claire when

1728
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:17,400
he went back to the house

1729
01:15:22,130 --> 01:15:19,920
and then the following day when he he

1730
01:15:24,290 --> 01:15:22,140
went to work a colleague of his who

1731
01:15:25,610 --> 01:15:24,300
lived in Plants Hamlet close to the M4

1732
01:15:28,370 --> 01:15:25,620
Motorway

1733
01:15:30,350 --> 01:15:28,380
so it's he saw it as well so there's

1734
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:30,360
another reference to another witness

1735
01:15:38,090 --> 01:15:35,930
I mean they were literally over the

1736
01:15:40,250 --> 01:15:38,100
whole whole of South Wales basically all

1737
01:15:43,070 --> 01:15:40,260
the way down to Swansea from Newport and

1738
01:15:44,510 --> 01:15:43,080
we we've even heard cases you said from

1739
01:15:45,770 --> 01:15:44,520
the Bristol Channel somebody in the

1740
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:45,780
Bristol Channel may have seen something

1741
01:15:50,209 --> 01:15:47,340
like I seem to remember you telling me

1742
01:15:52,610 --> 01:15:50,219
during our interview we had a don't

1743
01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:52,620
confirmed report fishermen down in

1744
01:15:57,169 --> 01:15:54,540
ithacombe

1745
01:15:58,930 --> 01:15:57,179
um I had a massive one going over school

1746
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,940
and I went up to the Bristol Channel

1747
01:16:04,729 --> 01:16:00,960
towards Cardiff

1748
01:16:07,610 --> 01:16:04,739
but we've we can't we can't confirm it

1749
01:16:10,030 --> 01:16:07,620
we can't find the witnesses and we can't

1750
01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:10,040
find that ease

1751
01:16:14,750 --> 01:16:12,420
it was recorded in the north Devon

1752
01:16:15,530 --> 01:16:14,760
newspaper which we've been trying to get

1753
01:16:18,169 --> 01:16:15,540
old

1754
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,179
on this it was a primary school in um

1755
01:16:21,470 --> 01:16:19,920
whitchurch

1756
01:16:24,410 --> 01:16:21,480
in Cardiff

1757
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:24,420
called um

1758
01:16:28,910 --> 01:16:27,120
I've got it a bit further up egg looks

1759
01:16:31,130 --> 01:16:28,920
when prime minister let's let's move on

1760
01:16:35,330 --> 01:16:31,140
now then uh Mike we've got that coming

1761
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:35,340
up all right thanks so yeah this one is

1762
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:37,440
over mumbles

1763
01:16:42,649 --> 01:16:40,080
because we've we've uh passed all the

1764
01:16:45,950 --> 01:16:42,659
videos now so it's just sightings that

1765
01:16:48,350 --> 01:16:45,960
we from the database yeah I finally feel

1766
01:16:50,330 --> 01:16:48,360
with the favor of witnesses actually

1767
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,340
contacted the police who then passes on

1768
01:16:54,410 --> 01:16:52,560
to the mod and they have sort of

1769
01:16:58,850 --> 01:16:54,420
surfaced in the mod files which were

1770
01:17:01,310 --> 01:16:58,860
released years ago but mod files they

1771
01:17:02,810 --> 01:17:01,320
they redact all the uh personal

1772
01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:02,820
information so you don't know who they

1773
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:04,380
were yeah

1774
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:06,960
um this is mumbles which is run the end

1775
01:17:10,910 --> 01:17:08,400
of Swansea Bay

1776
01:17:15,970 --> 01:17:10,920
there's a red spot there yeah

1777
01:17:22,669 --> 01:17:19,729
an observer watched by the naked eye and

1778
01:17:25,310 --> 01:17:22,679
through binoculars binocularized two

1779
01:17:28,130 --> 01:17:25,320
very bright lights about the length of

1780
01:17:30,590 --> 01:17:28,140
Boeing 747 apart

1781
01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:30,600
those shape is discernible the lights

1782
01:17:35,870 --> 01:17:33,540
were over the lifeguard station mum's

1783
01:17:39,950 --> 01:17:35,880
Lifeboat all our old Coast Guard Station

1784
01:17:42,770 --> 01:17:39,960
at 2 000 feet maximum altitude one mile

1785
01:17:44,890 --> 01:17:42,780
away from The Observer its movement is

1786
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:44,900
disgrace of being steady and changing

1787
01:17:50,810 --> 01:17:48,060
instead of changing so it's a lot higher

1788
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:50,820
well that's between 5 30 and 5 45 okay

1789
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:56,750
um

1790
01:18:03,350 --> 01:17:59,840
the guys up in go sign in uh Milan and

1791
01:18:05,149 --> 01:18:03,360
uh Byron Balia

1792
01:18:06,830 --> 01:18:05,159
this was going on for hours and hours

1793
01:18:09,310 --> 01:18:06,840
and hours for the looks of things

1794
01:18:11,630 --> 01:18:09,320
yeah all the way across South Wales

1795
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:11,640
the earliest we found it is around about

1796
01:18:17,930 --> 01:18:15,600
5 15 with which would be this one so

1797
01:18:19,850 --> 01:18:17,940
this this is uh what was written in the

1798
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,860
evening post about Margaret Gaskins and

1799
01:18:25,130 --> 01:18:22,320
of Lucy rodden skewin and her children

1800
01:18:28,130 --> 01:18:25,140
well one of the children mentioned their

1801
01:18:30,830 --> 01:18:28,140
14 year old Leanne is the one that Steve

1802
01:18:32,510 --> 01:18:30,840
drewson and I went to meet

1803
01:18:34,430 --> 01:18:32,520
I bet I won't read aloe but I'll tell

1804
01:18:35,390 --> 01:18:34,440
just a little story briefly what she

1805
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:35,400
said

1806
01:18:41,390 --> 01:18:37,860
in skewin which is just to the north of

1807
01:18:44,270 --> 01:18:41,400
BP Plantation oil refinery which Simon

1808
01:18:46,370 --> 01:18:44,280
Matthews mentioned earlier uh

1809
01:18:48,050 --> 01:18:46,380
she'd just come home from school and I

1810
01:18:50,930 --> 01:18:48,060
think she was watching blue Peter and

1811
01:18:53,330 --> 01:18:50,940
she looked out the window of the living

1812
01:18:55,850 --> 01:18:53,340
room which is on the first floor because

1813
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:55,860
they live on the side of a house a hill

1814
01:19:01,010 --> 01:18:59,580
and she saw this these light silver over

1815
01:19:03,470 --> 01:19:01,020
Kilby Hill

1816
01:19:05,209 --> 01:19:03,480
which is the the hill by Swansea with a

1817
01:19:07,729 --> 01:19:05,219
mast on it yeah

1818
01:19:10,490 --> 01:19:07,739
and

1819
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:10,500
it moved from Kill the Halo sort of to

1820
01:19:13,850 --> 01:19:12,480
the sides instantly towards Swansea and

1821
01:19:17,209 --> 01:19:13,860
then back to kill the hill and then

1822
01:19:18,350 --> 01:19:17,219
within a second it's shot across towards

1823
01:19:22,130 --> 01:19:18,360
skewing

1824
01:19:25,130 --> 01:19:22,140
appearing over the old refinery

1825
01:19:27,770 --> 01:19:25,140
and what she said she saw was this

1826
01:19:30,290 --> 01:19:27,780
object this triangular object was the

1827
01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:30,300
size of the oil refinery

1828
01:19:35,330 --> 01:19:33,540
it was huge and it had lights all over

1829
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:35,340
it like a Christmas tree

1830
01:19:41,570 --> 01:19:39,120
all white I think uh bright lights

1831
01:19:46,970 --> 01:19:41,580
and uh she called a father and the

1832
01:19:50,750 --> 01:19:49,250
and they were all they were hanging out

1833
01:19:52,130 --> 01:19:50,760
the window well she was hanging out the

1834
01:19:54,770 --> 01:19:52,140
window look at the window was open

1835
01:19:56,590 --> 01:19:54,780
looking at this thing

1836
01:19:58,729 --> 01:19:56,600
and it was there for about five minutes

1837
01:20:00,649 --> 01:19:58,739
and uh

1838
01:20:03,229 --> 01:20:00,659
all of a sudden it just shot straight up

1839
01:20:06,110 --> 01:20:03,239
into the sky ah

1840
01:20:08,750 --> 01:20:06,120
so this this is the same location that

1841
01:20:10,669 --> 01:20:08,760
Simon saw his over the other fine and we

1842
01:20:13,370 --> 01:20:10,679
brought with what he saw the two

1843
01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:13,380
separate objects with red lights on

1844
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:14,820
hers was

1845
01:20:18,169 --> 01:20:16,080
um

1846
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:18,179
heard this one it correlates exactly

1847
01:20:21,709 --> 01:20:19,920
what he's basically said apart from the

1848
01:20:23,450 --> 01:20:21,719
fact there was two but maybe they were

1849
01:20:24,890 --> 01:20:23,460
side by side and she was only seeing a

1850
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:24,900
side profile and not seeing the one

1851
01:20:29,450 --> 01:20:27,000
behind it sort of thing maybe so yeah

1852
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:29,460
and it's her description what she told

1853
01:20:31,970 --> 01:20:30,239
us

1854
01:20:34,010 --> 01:20:31,980
is different what a mother told Evening

1855
01:20:36,350 --> 01:20:34,020
Post on the following day it's uh mother

1856
01:20:37,850 --> 01:20:36,360
says that um

1857
01:20:39,649 --> 01:20:37,860
the children they came running into the

1858
01:20:40,970 --> 01:20:39,659
kitchen full of excitement at first I

1859
01:20:42,890 --> 01:20:40,980
didn't believe them but when I looked

1860
01:20:44,570 --> 01:20:42,900
out of the window I could see a sphere

1861
01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:44,580
of flashing lights which traveled from

1862
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:47,520
Kill by Hill area over to bagland Bay so

1863
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:51,120
Bagley Bay is sort of the direction of

1864
01:20:54,649 --> 01:20:52,400
oh yeah

1865
01:20:56,330 --> 01:20:54,659
the whole family were hanging up the

1866
01:20:58,669 --> 01:20:56,340
windows of their flat for a better View

1867
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:58,679
and soon neighbors were also peering out

1868
01:21:02,810 --> 01:21:00,719
and a lot of the neighbors Leanne told

1869
01:21:04,910 --> 01:21:02,820
us actually the men actually worked in

1870
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:04,920
the old Refinery so they had their

1871
01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:06,719
particular interest what was happening

1872
01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:08,760
it was all very exciting said Mrs

1873
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:10,679
Gaskins we couldn't believe what we were

1874
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:11,520
seeing

1875
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,440
later I heard that the Sea King

1876
01:21:17,209 --> 01:21:15,360
helicopter from broadly had been in the

1877
01:21:18,890 --> 01:21:17,219
area at first they thought the flashing

1878
01:21:21,530 --> 01:21:18,900
lights must have been from that she said

1879
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:21,540
but then I was told the helicopter was

1880
01:21:26,510 --> 01:21:24,239
not over the Swansea Bay until 6 20.

1881
01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:26,520
I don't believe in UFOs there's got to

1882
01:21:32,209 --> 01:21:28,980
be a logical explanation for it but I I

1883
01:21:34,970 --> 01:21:32,219
can't explain what it was I saw

1884
01:21:37,370 --> 01:21:34,980
so pretty basic Love Was An Evening Post

1885
01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:37,380
nothing about this huge craft over the

1886
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:40,920
old Refinery that this the daughter told

1887
01:21:43,610 --> 01:21:42,000
us about

1888
01:21:44,810 --> 01:21:43,620
particularly when it shot straight up

1889
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:44,820
into the sky

1890
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:47,280
yeah it must have been a couple of miles

1891
01:21:52,250 --> 01:21:49,920
across this thing that Leanne saw next

1892
01:21:53,870 --> 01:21:52,260
question is what was in a helicopter

1893
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:53,880
from broad he's doing all this one

1894
01:22:00,169 --> 01:21:55,199
debate

1895
01:22:04,250 --> 01:22:01,669
yeah so

1896
01:22:06,649 --> 01:22:04,260
fake helicopter possibly yeah yeah

1897
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:06,659
possibly

1898
01:22:13,130 --> 01:22:11,280
yeah that was over 20 bit 620

1899
01:22:15,770 --> 01:22:13,140
yeah

1900
01:22:17,810 --> 01:22:15,780
let's go on to the next yep

1901
01:22:20,510 --> 01:22:17,820
that's red dots killed by hell is that

1902
01:22:26,270 --> 01:22:23,209
I'm gonna have to wrap up in about 10 15

1903
01:22:29,090 --> 01:22:26,280
minutes okay I think we're gonna need to

1904
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:29,100
do a part two on this looks and things I

1905
01:22:32,630 --> 01:22:30,540
think we've covered more all the main

1906
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:32,640
ones that we we've heard about yeah it's

1907
01:22:38,090 --> 01:22:35,040
quite a few uh can I address the

1908
01:22:39,770 --> 01:22:38,100
elephant in the room the tr3b and what's

1909
01:22:42,050 --> 01:22:39,780
the likelihood that what all these

1910
01:22:43,970 --> 01:22:42,060
people are seeing is man-made uh being

1911
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:43,980
built in bracket and maybe just being

1912
01:22:47,689 --> 01:22:46,080
tested out on that note

1913
01:22:49,729 --> 01:22:47,699
over

1914
01:22:52,430 --> 01:22:49,739
a seasonal thing why would they be

1915
01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:52,440
testing it inches over rooftops in a

1916
01:22:56,510 --> 01:22:55,500
publated area in the swan Wales Second

1917
01:22:58,669 --> 01:22:56,520
City

1918
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:58,679
Swansea and Cardiff

1919
01:23:03,530 --> 01:23:01,440
at the same time

1920
01:23:05,209 --> 01:23:03,540
the reports in Cardiff were just after

1921
01:23:07,490 --> 01:23:05,219
five o'clock

1922
01:23:09,530 --> 01:23:07,500
and six o'clock and it was the same time

1923
01:23:12,830 --> 01:23:09,540
in Swansea

1924
01:23:15,950 --> 01:23:12,840
yeah we're gonna have anti-gravity craft

1925
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:15,960
with amazing propulsion systems that can

1926
01:23:26,570 --> 01:23:17,760
just literally hang in the sky miles

1927
01:23:30,050 --> 01:23:28,669
yeah and there was one side of a car do

1928
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:30,060
you remember

1929
01:23:34,250 --> 01:23:33,360
we did an interview on on BBC Radio once

1930
01:23:36,770 --> 01:23:34,260
and um

1931
01:23:40,130 --> 01:23:36,780
the BBC Two to Fashion got

1932
01:23:43,010 --> 01:23:40,140
uh they consulted a an expert in the

1933
01:23:45,290 --> 01:23:43,020
field uh Aeronautics engineer remember

1934
01:23:47,090 --> 01:23:45,300
and uh

1935
01:23:56,050 --> 01:23:47,100
his theory was that what people were

1936
01:24:02,209 --> 01:23:59,810
which had lights on it and maybe people

1937
01:24:03,290 --> 01:24:02,219
were mistaken the three triangle three

1938
01:24:05,450 --> 01:24:03,300
lights

1939
01:24:07,310 --> 01:24:05,460
in a triangular formation Below on the

1940
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,320
underneath of an airship

1941
01:24:11,930 --> 01:24:08,719
no no no no

1942
01:24:13,130 --> 01:24:11,940
it sounds like a rackets as well these

1943
01:24:14,930 --> 01:24:13,140
propellers

1944
01:24:17,810 --> 01:24:14,940
so I'll just say I'll just say at this

1945
01:24:20,270 --> 01:24:17,820
point guys I contacted um Nick Pope who

1946
01:24:22,370 --> 01:24:20,280
used to be a member of the the mod and

1947
01:24:24,290 --> 01:24:22,380
was the person supposedly looking into

1948
01:24:28,430 --> 01:24:24,300
UFOs

1949
01:24:30,770 --> 01:24:28,440
um between 1991 and 1994.

1950
01:24:32,450 --> 01:24:30,780
um so I contacted him today and he came

1951
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:32,460
back to me straight away uh good old

1952
01:24:38,930 --> 01:24:35,760
Nick and he he said um with apologies I

1953
01:24:42,050 --> 01:24:38,940
can't recall this wave of sightings my

1954
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:42,060
time in that job was in between 1991 and

1955
01:24:47,209 --> 01:24:45,120
1994 and while I had access to the old

1956
01:24:48,830 --> 01:24:47,219
files I don't remember these ones so I

1957
01:24:51,649 --> 01:24:48,840
just want to get that in there now for

1958
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:51,659
the record that we did contact you know

1959
01:24:56,090 --> 01:24:54,000
somebody was in the mod at the time and

1960
01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:56,100
something else I did today I sent off

1961
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,780
the first I think it's the first maybe

1962
01:25:01,729 --> 01:24:59,280
it's not the first

1963
01:25:04,010 --> 01:25:01,739
um Freedom of Information request just

1964
01:25:06,890 --> 01:25:04,020
about this case

1965
01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:06,900
um well I've basically sent that to the

1966
01:25:11,570 --> 01:25:08,760
mod and to the National Archives because

1967
01:25:13,490 --> 01:25:11,580
I know there's a time limit on these

1968
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:13,500
things um and I'll follow that up and

1969
01:25:17,330 --> 01:25:15,420
I'll make sure that if we if we find any

1970
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:17,340
information out we'll get that posted to

1971
01:25:20,630 --> 01:25:18,480
sue far and we can get it on their

1972
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:20,640
website and we'll do we'll do a

1973
01:25:24,350 --> 01:25:22,320
follow-up video on this and and see

1974
01:25:26,209 --> 01:25:24,360
whether we can do any more with it

1975
01:25:28,010 --> 01:25:26,219
um yeah we've got a there's a few more

1976
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:28,020
witnesses that we have mentioned

1977
01:25:34,689 --> 01:25:31,679
um there's a couple of CID officers do

1978
01:25:37,370 --> 01:25:34,699
you want to do a part two yeah

1979
01:25:38,990 --> 01:25:37,380
Stephen I interviewed these two CID guys

1980
01:25:41,149 --> 01:25:39,000
we want to talk about that there's also

1981
01:25:44,090 --> 01:25:41,159
a new one which we filming next week

1982
01:25:45,950 --> 01:25:44,100
hopefully okay yeah yeah let's do a

1983
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:45,960
follow-up let's do a part one on on this

1984
01:25:48,649 --> 01:25:47,280
and because there's so much more to

1985
01:25:50,630 --> 01:25:48,659
discuss for the looks of things yeah

1986
01:25:52,729 --> 01:25:50,640
it's quite as we could be here for

1987
01:25:54,890 --> 01:25:52,739
another hour discussing what we have got

1988
01:25:57,050 --> 01:25:54,900
left to discuss and it's pretty

1989
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:57,060
incredible already what we've seen I've

1990
01:25:59,870 --> 01:25:58,800
got a comment more than a question I

1991
01:26:00,550 --> 01:25:59,880
think it's

1992
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:00,560
um

1993
01:26:06,050 --> 01:26:03,840
I think it's odd that the in the 70s you

1994
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:06,060
have the broadhaven Welsh so-called

1995
01:26:11,390 --> 01:26:08,880
Welsh triangle then you have the Knight

1996
01:26:14,450 --> 01:26:11,400
of the triangles in the 80s and now we

1997
01:26:17,450 --> 01:26:14,460
have kaza's testimony of seeing a

1998
01:26:19,610 --> 01:26:17,460
massive triangle in pentark

1999
01:26:21,709 --> 01:26:19,620
it always comes back to triangles in

2000
01:26:23,689 --> 01:26:21,719
South Wales for some reason which is why

2001
01:26:25,790 --> 01:26:23,699
I asked that man that craft question

2002
01:26:28,430 --> 01:26:25,800
earlier

2003
01:26:31,070 --> 01:26:28,440
yeah we were up in Mike and I were up in

2004
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:31,080
kazi's house uh last week she'd had a

2005
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:32,639
where the sky watch there with a few

2006
01:26:39,229 --> 01:26:35,760
other people yeah I remember I was

2007
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:39,239
telling somebody that uh yeah the thing

2008
01:26:42,970 --> 01:26:41,040
that they saw was triangle shape but he

2009
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:42,980
was up on end

2010
01:26:49,450 --> 01:26:45,840
rather than flat she described it more

2011
01:26:51,950 --> 01:26:49,460
as a pyramid I think didn't she okay

2012
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,960
it was like curved in the bottom like uh

2013
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:54,000
so it was like it was like a pizza piece

2014
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:55,679
you know if you cut the section of a

2015
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:58,080
pizza gotcha yeah I think I was talking

2016
01:27:01,310 --> 01:26:59,760
to Dave one of the witnesses I was

2017
01:27:03,169 --> 01:27:01,320
telling them about this

2018
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:03,179
because I was looking at the picture

2019
01:27:09,950 --> 01:27:07,440
that um was was made about it of it and

2020
01:27:11,810 --> 01:27:09,960
if you could if you continued the Circ

2021
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,820
the curved area if you continue that

2022
01:27:14,990 --> 01:27:13,199
right round we would you'd end up with a

2023
01:27:17,090 --> 01:27:15,000
big circle wouldn't you and this was

2024
01:27:21,709 --> 01:27:17,100
just one quarter of a circle

2025
01:27:23,689 --> 01:27:21,719
which is a triangle I I did um I went on

2026
01:27:25,729 --> 01:27:23,699
to your website the Sue phone website

2027
01:27:28,610 --> 01:27:25,739
earlier and I went to your cases press

2028
01:27:32,090 --> 01:27:28,620
Ctrl F find on the page and just typed

2029
01:27:34,970 --> 01:27:32,100
in Triangle and it came up with 114

2030
01:27:37,070 --> 01:27:34,980
matches for triangle slash triangular

2031
01:27:39,709 --> 01:27:37,080
and about 30 of those were from the

2032
01:27:42,110 --> 01:27:39,719
Knight of the triangles so taking all

2033
01:27:44,030 --> 01:27:42,120
the rest into account triangles are new

2034
01:27:47,890 --> 01:27:44,040
to the people on our website which is

2035
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:47,900
only Welsh cases exactly yeah

2036
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:50,159
all the things that have been written

2037
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:51,840
and said about Triangles around the

2038
01:27:54,770 --> 01:27:52,560
world

2039
01:27:57,290 --> 01:27:54,780
Wales is a hot spot for triangles and

2040
01:27:58,970 --> 01:27:57,300
yet okay you guys have been out there

2041
01:28:00,530 --> 01:27:58,980
and been giving presentations on this

2042
01:28:03,610 --> 01:28:00,540
but it hasn't leaked out into the

2043
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:03,620
worldwide Media or on social media

2044
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,480
you know until now I think I mean I was

2045
01:28:09,530 --> 01:28:08,159
talking to Grant Cameron yesterday I'll

2046
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,540
mention this as well and Grant has

2047
01:28:12,530 --> 01:28:11,040
actually asked for a copy of this

2048
01:28:14,450 --> 01:28:12,540
interview

2049
01:28:16,129 --> 01:28:14,460
um tonight this presentation you guys

2050
01:28:17,870 --> 01:28:16,139
have done because he's really interested

2051
01:28:20,030 --> 01:28:17,880
because he's he's writing a book on this

2052
01:28:22,610 --> 01:28:20,040
as well on triangles and he'd never

2053
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:22,620
heard I mean again we really are doing

2054
01:28:26,510 --> 01:28:24,719
our best to put Wales on the map where

2055
01:28:28,370 --> 01:28:26,520
he's showing these historical cases I

2056
01:28:30,110 --> 01:28:28,380
think it'll be a good idea to do a

2057
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:30,120
follow-up just based on all the other

2058
01:28:33,950 --> 01:28:32,159
cases all the other Witnesses you've

2059
01:28:36,169 --> 01:28:33,960
still got to talk about we've got two

2060
01:28:37,970 --> 01:28:36,179
police officers that saw this that we

2061
01:28:41,390 --> 01:28:37,980
haven't even spoken about yet we'll give

2062
01:28:43,790 --> 01:28:41,400
real credibility yeah real credibility

2063
01:28:46,129 --> 01:28:43,800
um to this and if it needs it I mean my

2064
01:28:48,530 --> 01:28:46,139
God you've all of the people the the

2065
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,540
stories they're all correlated all the

2066
01:28:52,669 --> 01:28:50,639
sort of things they've been saying

2067
01:28:56,990 --> 01:28:52,679
um you know rooftop height

2068
01:29:00,129 --> 01:28:57,000
football size Fields craft yeah it's

2069
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:03,050
we've got about 60 individual Witnesses

2070
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:05,040
all together that's amazing you've only

2071
01:29:10,129 --> 01:29:07,040
got 30 on the website

2072
01:29:12,290 --> 01:29:10,139
I mean I know Edmond's got a few kicking

2073
01:29:13,729 --> 01:29:12,300
around in his office there so

2074
01:29:15,229 --> 01:29:13,739
um let's hope hope again then we're

2075
01:29:17,390 --> 01:29:15,239
gonna get some more witnesses like we've

2076
01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:17,400
had with Kaz Clark you know all the

2077
01:29:21,649 --> 01:29:19,920
publicity that Kaz has been getting

2078
01:29:22,910 --> 01:29:21,659
um that has brought to new Witnesses

2079
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:22,920
have come out that would work with that

2080
01:29:28,970 --> 01:29:25,440
I mean we may have more to say on that

2081
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:28,980
in the future guys I know so now we'll

2082
01:29:33,709 --> 01:29:31,199
we'll do that at another time

2083
01:29:36,290 --> 01:29:33,719
um so anyway thanks ever so much this is

2084
01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:36,300
a been a brilliant part one and we're

2085
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:38,580
going to re revisit this

2086
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:41,600
so yeah thanks everyone for watching

2087
01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:44,400
night of the triangles the good this

2088
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:46,440
case you've never heard of from the

2089
01:30:00,430 --> 01:29:49,040
country you've never heard of yeah

2090
01:30:04,790 --> 01:30:02,629
welcome back to the special access

2091
01:30:06,830 --> 01:30:04,800
podcast in this always special episode

2092
01:30:09,229 --> 01:30:06,840
we welcome back Mike and Eminem from

2093
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:09,239
sufan to continue discussing One Night

2094
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:11,520
in 1983 when ahead of a lot of people

2095
01:30:15,410 --> 01:30:13,920
saw some strange things in the skies so

2096
01:30:17,450 --> 01:30:15,420
tonight we're here to stitch it all

2097
01:30:19,450 --> 01:30:17,460
together welcome back guys and thank you

2098
01:30:22,010 --> 01:30:19,460
for joining us again

2099
01:30:25,010 --> 01:30:22,020
over to you John

2100
01:30:26,689 --> 01:30:25,020
cheers Dave okay guys um welcome back

2101
01:30:29,570 --> 01:30:26,699
Mike maunder and emlin Williams of

2102
01:30:32,270 --> 01:30:29,580
souffon the Swansea UFO Network

2103
01:30:33,950 --> 01:30:32,280
um your regular's on the show now

2104
01:30:36,110 --> 01:30:33,960
um before we crack on tonight I'm gonna

2105
01:30:37,970 --> 01:30:36,120
I'm gonna tell our audience and we're

2106
01:30:39,530 --> 01:30:37,980
going to be talking about part two

2107
01:30:40,370 --> 01:30:39,540
basically of no to the triangles that's

2108
01:30:42,530 --> 01:30:40,380
what we're going to be talking about

2109
01:30:43,729 --> 01:30:42,540
tonight but before we crack on I'm going

2110
01:30:45,229 --> 01:30:43,739
to tell the audience what we're going to

2111
01:30:47,090 --> 01:30:45,239
do on the next show to wet people's

2112
01:30:48,169 --> 01:30:47,100
appetites because I'm I'm quite excited

2113
01:30:49,729 --> 01:30:48,179
about this one I've always wanted to

2114
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:49,739
learn more

2115
01:30:54,530 --> 01:30:52,560
um now filmmaker James Fox in his movie

2116
01:30:58,010 --> 01:30:54,540
The phenomenon shared the story about

2117
01:30:59,750 --> 01:30:58,020
the school in Zimbabwe in 1994 when 60

2118
01:31:02,090 --> 01:30:59,760
children at the aerial school had a

2119
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:02,100
close encounter and the investigative

2120
01:31:05,930 --> 01:31:04,320
journalist Ross called recently shared

2121
01:31:09,590 --> 01:31:05,940
in his documentary also called the

2122
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:09,600
phenomenon the 1966 West all School UFO

2123
01:31:14,030 --> 01:31:11,520
case in Australia

2124
01:31:15,470 --> 01:31:14,040
which is another very close encounter

2125
01:31:17,689 --> 01:31:15,480
and as I've mentioned we're going to be

2126
01:31:20,450 --> 01:31:17,699
doing these shows because Wales is

2127
01:31:22,490 --> 01:31:20,460
basically a world hot spot in UFO

2128
01:31:24,709 --> 01:31:22,500
activity and we want to share this fact

2129
01:31:26,570 --> 01:31:24,719
with as many people as we can

2130
01:31:28,729 --> 01:31:26,580
so again

2131
01:31:31,129 --> 01:31:28,739
what people don't realize is that Wales

2132
01:31:33,169 --> 01:31:31,139
also had a UFO case that made them to

2133
01:31:37,030 --> 01:31:33,179
use and made the press in the UK

2134
01:31:39,410 --> 01:31:37,040
and that was the 1977 broadhaven School

2135
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:39,420
broadhaven Primary School

2136
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:41,040
encounter

2137
01:31:44,510 --> 01:31:42,960
um I'll just show a couple of pics of

2138
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:44,520
that

2139
01:31:51,050 --> 01:31:46,320
just so people know what we're going to

2140
01:31:55,250 --> 01:31:52,669
so these are the what made the local

2141
01:31:58,370 --> 01:31:55,260
press the children basically would draw

2142
01:32:07,129 --> 01:32:00,470
very very similar basically to what

2143
01:32:10,669 --> 01:32:09,350
okay so that's that's what we're going

2144
01:32:13,850 --> 01:32:10,679
to be doing on the next show so I'm

2145
01:32:16,250 --> 01:32:13,860
really looking forward to seeing that

2146
01:32:18,830 --> 01:32:16,260
um so let's get back to tonight's topic

2147
01:32:20,810 --> 01:32:18,840
the night of the triangles uh back in

2148
01:32:23,890 --> 01:32:20,820
June we had the guy on guys on and

2149
01:32:26,510 --> 01:32:23,900
recorded the first part of this podcast

2150
01:32:29,090 --> 01:32:26,520
and basically the event that took place

2151
01:32:30,950 --> 01:32:29,100
in January 1983 in South Wales when

2152
01:32:33,770 --> 01:32:30,960
various craft of all shapes and sizes

2153
01:32:36,530 --> 01:32:33,780
were seen right across the country

2154
01:32:37,790 --> 01:32:36,540
and if you missed the first episode

2155
01:32:39,470 --> 01:32:37,800
um that's obviously on our YouTube

2156
01:32:41,209 --> 01:32:39,480
channel you can catch that on the

2157
01:32:43,910 --> 01:32:41,219
podcast as well

2158
01:32:44,570 --> 01:32:43,920
um wherever you listen to your podcasts

2159
01:32:46,610 --> 01:32:44,580
um

2160
01:32:48,169 --> 01:32:46,620
if you do go on a YouTube channel if you

2161
01:32:49,970 --> 01:32:48,179
could do us a favor and please like And

2162
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:49,980
subscribe as well we could we need as

2163
01:32:55,070 --> 01:32:53,040
many uh members as possible on that

2164
01:32:58,970 --> 01:32:55,080
anyway let's pick up what we we lacked

2165
01:33:01,790 --> 01:32:58,980
off guys and discuss the other Witnesses

2166
01:33:05,870 --> 01:33:01,800
um do you want to carry on there Mike

2167
01:33:08,570 --> 01:33:05,880
yeah yeah okay we'll do a share screen

2168
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:08,580
I add it to streamline I know it was

2169
01:33:15,649 --> 01:33:09,840
down here

2170
01:33:22,129 --> 01:33:19,870
oh it's not coming up full screen here

2171
01:33:25,250 --> 01:33:22,139
we can do

2172
01:33:29,390 --> 01:33:25,260
it because he's done it

2173
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:32,330
oh you can't see it for mercury

2174
01:33:44,450 --> 01:33:41,510
all right so anyway can we do so it's no

2175
01:33:46,250 --> 01:33:44,460
problem yeah have you got that though

2176
01:33:49,610 --> 01:33:46,260
yeah well we can see it yeah we can see

2177
01:33:51,770 --> 01:33:49,620
that do you need to go to view and then

2178
01:33:54,110 --> 01:33:51,780
just make it or is that where you want

2179
01:33:55,850 --> 01:33:54,120
to be anyway on there

2180
01:33:58,970 --> 01:33:55,860
but I just thought it would be good to

2181
01:34:03,950 --> 01:34:02,570
got it what it says do you need this on

2182
01:34:06,410 --> 01:34:03,960
the left-hand side because I can make it

2183
01:34:09,050 --> 01:34:06,420
so that it's just well we've got it full

2184
01:34:10,370 --> 01:34:09,060
screen so we can't see you at all

2185
01:34:13,010 --> 01:34:10,380
like that

2186
01:34:15,950 --> 01:34:13,020
yeah so he just got the presentation up

2187
01:34:17,689 --> 01:34:15,960
at the moment just for the video

2188
01:34:19,610 --> 01:34:17,699
can you see us we okay with it like that

2189
01:34:22,930 --> 01:34:19,620
Dave or do you want us on the left-hand

2190
01:34:26,450 --> 01:34:22,940
side no no this is good okay

2191
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:28,910
right we're okay now yeah we're good

2192
01:34:33,770 --> 01:34:30,719
yeah carry on

2193
01:34:35,990 --> 01:34:33,780
yeah actually yeah this is um

2194
01:34:41,169 --> 01:34:36,000
Peter Watkins who's living up on sun

2195
01:34:46,430 --> 01:34:43,669
all these years later yeah obviously he

2196
01:34:49,070 --> 01:34:46,440
was a young man at the time and uh this

2197
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:49,080
is Tyler Crescent in town hill

2198
01:34:53,750 --> 01:34:51,840
up above the city center and uh we met

2199
01:34:55,910 --> 01:34:53,760
up with him

2200
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:55,920
just over a year ago I think and uh he

2201
01:35:01,129 --> 01:34:58,560
told us he explained what he saw when he

2202
01:35:02,270 --> 01:35:01,139
came out the house

2203
01:35:04,010 --> 01:35:02,280
I think it was when he got home from

2204
01:35:06,830 --> 01:35:04,020
work and he just he was just walking up

2205
01:35:09,890 --> 01:35:06,840
the steps from the car I think um the

2206
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:09,900
footage itself is a bit a bit affected

2207
01:35:15,470 --> 01:35:12,239
by rain so I've already just did uh like

2208
01:35:17,110 --> 01:35:15,480
about minutes clip so he briefly talks

2209
01:35:26,630 --> 01:35:17,120
about it you know

2210
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,830
[Music]

2211
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:47,050
three lights

2212
01:35:52,490 --> 01:35:50,090
in I told Claire you know I mean I

2213
01:35:54,970 --> 01:35:52,500
wasn't that interested in UFO at that

2214
01:35:57,770 --> 01:35:54,980
time to be honest

2215
01:36:01,129 --> 01:35:57,780
and I didn't say say too much about it

2216
01:36:02,570 --> 01:36:01,139
until I you know I I I read it in the

2217
01:36:06,050 --> 01:36:02,580
paper the following night then in the

2218
01:36:10,209 --> 01:36:06,060
post it did how many people had seen it

2219
01:36:17,090 --> 01:36:13,070
I believe you spoke to somebody in work

2220
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:17,100
yeah many years after it was quite three

2221
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:19,920
years after uh one of the my managers

2222
01:36:25,129 --> 01:36:23,040
and he lived in what was in the long

2223
01:36:32,450 --> 01:36:25,139
last area up around double cut there

2224
01:36:32,460 --> 01:36:37,790
of house

2225
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:39,649
sorry about the sound there it was a lot

2226
01:36:48,590 --> 01:36:46,729
yeah so I could hear that no problem

2227
01:36:50,990 --> 01:36:48,600
so that's another one of the witnesses

2228
01:36:52,250 --> 01:36:51,000
and he refers to so many work who also

2229
01:36:54,169 --> 01:36:52,260
saw it

2230
01:36:55,970 --> 01:36:54,179
long lastes are putting cancer envelopes

2231
01:36:58,129 --> 01:36:55,980
in northeast of Swansea

2232
01:36:59,629 --> 01:36:58,139
right not far up

2233
01:37:03,890 --> 01:36:59,639
it should be again it's like the

2234
01:37:05,149 --> 01:37:03,900
slideshow now listen it will work fine

2235
01:37:09,169 --> 01:37:05,159
uh

2236
01:37:14,090 --> 01:37:10,209
um

2237
01:37:17,570 --> 01:37:14,100
yeah so next one please

2238
01:37:24,110 --> 01:37:21,470
this one is like the triangles Kilby

2239
01:37:26,030 --> 01:37:24,120
Hill yeah this is a reference to one of

2240
01:37:27,890 --> 01:37:26,040
the mod files that was released which

2241
01:37:29,930 --> 01:37:27,900
gives very basic information doesn't

2242
01:37:32,510 --> 01:37:29,940
give um personal information it's all

2243
01:37:35,330 --> 01:37:32,520
blacked out does he know and uh it just

2244
01:37:37,070 --> 01:37:35,340
says an observer located outdoors in on

2245
01:37:40,570 --> 01:37:37,080
pentregeffin Road

2246
01:37:43,250 --> 01:37:40,580
which is north west of the city center

2247
01:37:44,990 --> 01:37:43,260
described seeing an object five for five

2248
01:37:47,689 --> 01:37:45,000
to ten minutes moving slowly around the

2249
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:47,699
TV mask so I'm presuming that it's kill

2250
01:37:52,010 --> 01:37:49,679
they help because it's only TV Master on

2251
01:37:54,590 --> 01:37:52,020
Swansea it was described as being one

2252
01:37:57,050 --> 01:37:54,600
object split into two parts

2253
01:37:59,930 --> 01:37:57,060
three very bright flashing white lights

2254
01:38:03,770 --> 01:37:59,940
at front and three at the back massive

2255
01:38:04,610 --> 01:38:03,780
in size oblong in shape no sound or

2256
01:38:07,850 --> 01:38:04,620
smell

2257
01:38:11,390 --> 01:38:07,860
now that ties in with the uh the two CID

2258
01:38:12,590 --> 01:38:11,400
guys the police officers who described

2259
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:12,600
uh

2260
01:38:22,430 --> 01:38:19,679
we met up with with them

2261
01:38:25,790 --> 01:38:22,440
in the last two years and they also

2262
01:38:27,530 --> 01:38:25,800
described an oblong huge oblong shaped

2263
01:38:31,250 --> 01:38:27,540
object bigger than two or three football

2264
01:38:33,229 --> 01:38:31,260
fields in size

2265
01:38:35,810 --> 01:38:33,239
so it's all right it's

2266
01:38:39,250 --> 01:38:35,820
in a way it sort of corroborates on what

2267
01:38:42,649 --> 01:38:39,260
they saw as well yeah you know yeah

2268
01:38:44,750 --> 01:38:42,659
you say that that's an mod file how do

2269
01:38:46,189 --> 01:38:44,760
they actually at the time that I mean

2270
01:38:48,010 --> 01:38:46,199
that people can't report these to the

2271
01:38:51,530 --> 01:38:48,020
Emoji anymore because they don't take

2272
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:51,540
reports who did they used to report it

2273
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:52,560
to

2274
01:38:56,990 --> 01:38:54,960
it's the police usually uh the police

2275
01:38:57,770 --> 01:38:57,000
file a report and they pass it on to the

2276
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:57,780
mod

2277
01:39:02,570 --> 01:39:00,000
okay that's how they got that's how they

2278
01:39:04,430 --> 01:39:02,580
got preserved then in the um in in the

2279
01:39:06,770 --> 01:39:04,440
final you know in the system and this is

2280
01:39:08,030 --> 01:39:06,780
how the CID guys they obviously reported

2281
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:08,040
their own when it went back to their

2282
01:39:14,450 --> 01:39:13,010
as well

2283
01:39:15,770 --> 01:39:14,460
yeah yeah that would have done yeah

2284
01:39:19,370 --> 01:39:15,780
because uh

2285
01:39:22,250 --> 01:39:19,380
uh I well he told us that uh

2286
01:39:24,050 --> 01:39:22,260
they radioed it in and they they were

2287
01:39:26,330 --> 01:39:24,060
told by the

2288
01:39:28,610 --> 01:39:26,340
uh radio control that they've had many

2289
01:39:32,330 --> 01:39:28,620
many members of the public ringing in

2290
01:39:34,910 --> 01:39:32,340
with it with sightings at the same time

2291
01:39:36,890 --> 01:39:34,920
and uh the fact that they were two CID

2292
01:39:39,110 --> 01:39:36,900
guys is quite good they're quite good

2293
01:39:42,530 --> 01:39:39,120
well good caliber witnesses there yeah

2294
01:39:45,050 --> 01:39:42,540
yeah incredible make the case credible

2295
01:39:46,370 --> 01:39:45,060
yeah one was a police sergeant and one

2296
01:39:48,290 --> 01:39:46,380
was a policeman did you speak to them

2297
01:39:51,410 --> 01:39:48,300
together then or was that a separate

2298
01:39:52,850 --> 01:39:51,420
meeting with them we went to the house

2299
01:39:54,410 --> 01:39:52,860
uh

2300
01:39:57,110 --> 01:39:54,420
they haven't seen each other for years

2301
01:39:58,430 --> 01:39:57,120
actually they're quite elderly now but

2302
01:40:01,010 --> 01:39:58,440
uh yeah we went to each of their houses

2303
01:40:02,810 --> 01:40:01,020
to interview them separately did you

2304
01:40:05,209 --> 01:40:02,820
video that Emily

2305
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:05,219
no no we didn't video it at the time we

2306
01:40:09,229 --> 01:40:07,199
took I took still photographs in one of

2307
01:40:12,290 --> 01:40:09,239
the houses which we've got on

2308
01:40:16,010 --> 01:40:12,300
on the uh on the website I believe

2309
01:40:18,590 --> 01:40:16,020
uh but we will be I've got an idea of to

2310
01:40:20,510 --> 01:40:18,600
uh film an interview pick them both up

2311
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:20,520
in two separate cars and film them in

2312
01:40:25,970 --> 01:40:23,040
the cars and then

2313
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:25,980
drive to this site where they saw they

2314
01:40:30,169 --> 01:40:28,320
had they had the sighting from and then

2315
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:30,179
they could meet up and we could film the

2316
01:40:33,770 --> 01:40:31,520
meeting up for the first time in years

2317
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:33,780
yeah and then they could tell us

2318
01:40:38,270 --> 01:40:36,239
together what talk about it explain what

2319
01:40:40,729 --> 01:40:38,280
he was well we know we know the way this

2320
01:40:42,890 --> 01:40:40,739
this topic works I mean would

2321
01:40:45,950 --> 01:40:42,900
for some reason the um people take

2322
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:45,960
seriously police pilots and military

2323
01:40:51,649 --> 01:40:48,719
people so this case will start to be

2324
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:51,659
taken seriously if we can get some video

2325
01:40:54,890 --> 01:40:53,280
documentation of these guys being

2326
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:54,900
interviewed up really help the case sort

2327
01:40:58,250 --> 01:40:56,159
of thought

2328
01:41:00,290 --> 01:40:58,260
yeah yeah I've got yeah we've got the

2329
01:41:02,810 --> 01:41:00,300
we've got the contact details the

2330
01:41:04,910 --> 01:41:02,820
systematic setting that up it's a bit of

2331
01:41:07,629 --> 01:41:04,920
a press at the moment for

2332
01:41:11,090 --> 01:41:07,639
like ex-military mod

2333
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:11,100
Pilots to come forward and talk about

2334
01:41:15,530 --> 01:41:13,679
their sightings because they are very

2335
01:41:18,290 --> 01:41:15,540
credible people to be

2336
01:41:19,729 --> 01:41:18,300
you know to be um interview to talk

2337
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:19,739
because they're obviously gets you have

2338
01:41:23,090 --> 01:41:20,880
cited

2339
01:41:25,550 --> 01:41:23,100
yeah yeah I think this has come from the

2340
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:25,560
the ttsa and the unidentified Series

2341
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:27,360
where basically that's the only type of

2342
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:29,040
witnesses they spoke to

2343
01:41:34,250 --> 01:41:32,159
were military people or Pilots

2344
01:41:36,649 --> 01:41:34,260
um so that it seems to be that this has

2345
01:41:39,649 --> 01:41:36,659
been carried on and you know if you want

2346
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:39,659
to talk to Credible people it seems

2347
01:41:42,649 --> 01:41:41,280
those are the people you need to to seek

2348
01:41:44,510 --> 01:41:42,659
out for some reason I personally don't

2349
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:44,520
agree with that you know a witness is a

2350
01:41:48,050 --> 01:41:46,800
witness you know at the end of the day I

2351
01:41:50,209 --> 01:41:48,060
mean you judge that you judge with your

2352
01:41:51,770 --> 01:41:50,219
gut feeling when you listen to Somebody

2353
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:51,780
whether or not you think they're

2354
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:53,520
credible or not and you know if things

2355
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:55,679
match up and it is witness other

2356
01:41:58,910 --> 01:41:57,360
witnesses to what they've seen as well

2357
01:42:00,770 --> 01:41:58,920
and and they've got photographic

2358
01:42:02,209 --> 01:42:00,780
evidence then they should everyone

2359
01:42:05,330 --> 01:42:02,219
should be taken just as seriously

2360
01:42:09,530 --> 01:42:05,340
personally you know yeah yeah but about

2361
01:42:10,729 --> 01:42:09,540
those two CID officers uh will be uh we

2362
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:10,739
could talk about them again in a minute

2363
01:42:14,930 --> 01:42:12,000
because it's going to come up in the uh

2364
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:14,940
what's the next one we've got next one

2365
01:42:19,609 --> 01:42:17,040
is

2366
01:42:21,649 --> 01:42:19,619
oh that was just CID when it's lit

2367
01:42:24,109 --> 01:42:21,659
that's where it would have been

2368
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:24,119
this is the map of where to show you

2369
01:42:29,629 --> 01:42:27,119
where it's 28 was here yeah because well

2370
01:42:32,689 --> 01:42:29,639
no this that that last one we I just

2371
01:42:36,770 --> 01:42:32,699
read that was um what's up man

2372
01:42:38,810 --> 01:42:36,780
that was is this uh is this road here

2373
01:42:43,570 --> 01:42:38,820
perhaps it was the one so somebody there

2374
01:42:50,090 --> 01:42:46,910
can you see the cursor moving above yes

2375
01:42:51,950 --> 01:42:50,100
yeah well the CID guys

2376
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:51,960
um after interviewing them because he

2377
01:42:56,930 --> 01:42:53,760
was referred to in the evening posts at

2378
01:42:59,810 --> 01:42:56,940
the time and uh John Hanson

2379
01:43:01,609 --> 01:42:59,820
uh quoted uh

2380
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:01,619
a press cut image I'm not sure where you

2381
01:43:05,330 --> 01:43:03,840
got that from but because we actually

2382
01:43:07,250 --> 01:43:05,340
spoke to them they managed to tell us

2383
01:43:09,290 --> 01:43:07,260
exactly where they were and they were at

2384
01:43:15,070 --> 01:43:09,300
the top of a street called my sir have

2385
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:15,080
in trackline which is this area here

2386
01:43:20,090 --> 01:43:17,760
the Evening Post is the local Swansea

2387
01:43:23,330 --> 01:43:20,100
newspaper is it yeah yeah so the two

2388
01:43:26,209 --> 01:43:23,340
ocid guys we were here exactly there

2389
01:43:27,530 --> 01:43:26,219
right and they saw what they described

2390
01:43:31,070 --> 01:43:27,540
as a huge

2391
01:43:33,530 --> 01:43:31,080
uh rectangular object heading their

2392
01:43:35,810 --> 01:43:33,540
direction that go in this direction

2393
01:43:37,490 --> 01:43:35,820
and then it turned and went down that

2394
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:37,500
way towards the sea

2395
01:43:42,169 --> 01:43:39,119
okay

2396
01:43:43,609 --> 01:43:42,179
and he did a sketch for us uh I think we

2397
01:43:45,229 --> 01:43:43,619
got sketches there yeah we got the

2398
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:45,239
sketch here we'll show that in a minute

2399
01:43:50,689 --> 01:43:47,040
now what's the next one you got there

2400
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:52,850
all right okay they have one yeah

2401
01:43:57,890 --> 01:43:54,719
somebody else who saw it over kill the

2402
01:44:00,410 --> 01:43:57,900
hill uh about 550. this is another one

2403
01:44:02,330 --> 01:44:00,420
from the mod files I found over a period

2404
01:44:05,090 --> 01:44:02,340
of six minutes an observer located on

2405
01:44:08,030 --> 01:44:05,100
the road heel talacopa and Clan samlet

2406
01:44:11,149 --> 01:44:08,040
reported seeing two objects traveling at

2407
01:44:14,090 --> 01:44:11,159
a steady rate west to east from the dvlc

2408
01:44:15,770 --> 01:44:14,100
in Morriston towards kilva Hill one

2409
01:44:17,390 --> 01:44:15,780
object was a large elongated shape with

2410
01:44:19,970 --> 01:44:17,400
two pulsating white lights at the front

2411
01:44:22,850 --> 01:44:19,980
and two yellowish steady lights on the

2412
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:22,860
rear the second object was smaller and

2413
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:25,679
triangular with steady white lights no

2414
01:44:31,609 --> 01:44:27,360
sound of smell was associated with the

2415
01:44:33,050 --> 01:44:31,619
site in now this could very well be the

2416
01:44:35,689 --> 01:44:33,060
CID guys

2417
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:35,699
from their report because it consists of

2418
01:44:40,850 --> 01:44:37,920
the mod files it doesn't identify the

2419
01:44:43,490 --> 01:44:40,860
person who made the the report

2420
01:44:46,189 --> 01:44:43,500
heel Tower copper was actually

2421
01:44:48,890 --> 01:44:46,199
where the cie guys were they were at the

2422
01:44:51,709 --> 01:44:48,900
junction of myself until in the

2423
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:51,719
telecover area which is on the hill up

2424
01:44:57,530 --> 01:44:54,960
above trackon which is part of lansamlet

2425
01:44:59,930 --> 01:44:57,540
okay uh the map there that we've got is

2426
01:45:02,209 --> 01:44:59,940
just uh

2427
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:02,219
um an approximate location where the

2428
01:45:05,629 --> 01:45:04,080
witness was

2429
01:45:07,550 --> 01:45:05,639
just for this

2430
01:45:15,970 --> 01:45:07,560
for those illustrative purposes like

2431
01:45:20,810 --> 01:45:18,770
now it's called the driver vehicle

2432
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:20,820
license Authority which is

2433
01:45:25,070 --> 01:45:22,800
a huge office on the coast right on the

2434
01:45:26,450 --> 01:45:25,080
front then is it no no it's up on the

2435
01:45:30,590 --> 01:45:26,460
hill above Morristown right next to the

2436
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:35,890
okay

2437
01:45:41,030 --> 01:45:39,590
this is the map for it yeah

2438
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:41,040
yeah that's the location where there's

2439
01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:43,040
this

2440
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:45,840
got the CID times next it's not

2441
01:45:49,729 --> 01:45:47,280
something

2442
01:45:51,169 --> 01:45:49,739
right

2443
01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:51,179
no

2444
01:45:57,470 --> 01:45:54,000
ah oh this this is what John hands one

2445
01:45:59,390 --> 01:45:57,480
of the John John Hansen quoted one of

2446
01:46:00,830 --> 01:45:59,400
the references for his book series

2447
01:46:03,350 --> 01:46:00,840
haunted Skies

2448
01:46:04,970 --> 01:46:03,360
uh giving giving his sources the mod

2449
01:46:07,189 --> 01:46:04,980
files so obviously he's getting his

2450
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:07,199
information from the same place that we

2451
01:46:12,169 --> 01:46:09,360
did in the last two cases I just read

2452
01:46:15,290 --> 01:46:12,179
out this is 555. this is again about the

2453
01:46:17,770 --> 01:46:15,300
same time an aircraft shaped object

2454
01:46:20,090 --> 01:46:17,780
moving far too slowly to be an aircraft

2455
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:20,100
showing six lights at the front and

2456
01:46:24,109 --> 01:46:22,320
three lights at the base was seen over

2457
01:46:26,270 --> 01:46:24,119
Swansea airport heading west over the

2458
01:46:30,169 --> 01:46:26,280
Gower peninsula

2459
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:30,179
okay now that that could have been um

2460
01:46:35,209 --> 01:46:32,400
have we talked about

2461
01:46:36,770 --> 01:46:35,219
um David and Carol back up yet I think

2462
01:46:39,050 --> 01:46:36,780
it's kind of like reality we've come up

2463
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:39,060
to then yeah because uh another two

2464
01:46:41,870 --> 01:46:41,040
witnesses we spoke to

2465
01:46:44,570 --> 01:46:41,880
um

2466
01:46:46,490 --> 01:46:44,580
which we will be doing quite soon at the

2467
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:46,500
at the time only myself and Steve

2468
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:48,719
interviewed them in the houses I mean in

2469
01:46:54,410 --> 01:46:52,560
that house and we make notes uh so two

2470
01:46:59,290 --> 01:46:54,420
objects going over Kelly which is west

2471
01:47:03,709 --> 01:47:01,550
it's good

2472
01:47:05,810 --> 01:47:03,719
it's not going to look that good for

2473
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:05,820
people just watching you know just a

2474
01:47:08,810 --> 01:47:07,440
PowerPoint presentation we need to be on

2475
01:47:10,490 --> 01:47:08,820
here so they know that we're actually

2476
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:10,500
all here together and discussing the

2477
01:47:13,970 --> 01:47:12,000
carry on sorry about that

2478
01:47:16,129 --> 01:47:13,980
yeah all right

2479
01:47:18,530 --> 01:47:16,139
so yeah that's again that's from the mod

2480
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:18,540
files with very basic information of the

2481
01:47:21,649 --> 01:47:19,440
witness

2482
01:47:23,450 --> 01:47:21,659
just says

2483
01:47:25,450 --> 01:47:23,460
quoted by

2484
01:47:28,609 --> 01:47:25,460
John Hanson what's my phone

2485
01:47:31,609 --> 01:47:28,619
okay what's the next one

2486
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:31,619
this is how I showed you at where I saw

2487
01:47:36,830 --> 01:47:34,080
the airport is in relation to everywhere

2488
01:47:38,629 --> 01:47:36,840
else yeah and that was okay that what we

2489
01:47:40,970 --> 01:47:38,639
just did yeah

2490
01:47:42,410 --> 01:47:40,980
so obviously because he's just on the

2491
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:42,420
edge

2492
01:47:49,310 --> 01:47:46,800
this one is in London about 6 p.m

2493
01:47:51,050 --> 01:47:49,320
um oh yeah this we had a one of our

2494
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:51,060
souffon meetings

2495
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:52,800
a couple years ago

2496
01:47:56,030 --> 01:47:54,480
we give a presentation about the night

2497
01:47:58,430 --> 01:47:56,040
of the triangles and I I put something

2498
01:48:00,830 --> 01:47:58,440
in the local paper in the Evening Post

2499
01:48:02,810 --> 01:48:00,840
talking about about this particular

2500
01:48:04,430 --> 01:48:02,820
night where so many people saw triangles

2501
01:48:06,050 --> 01:48:04,440
and we had a few people come to the

2502
01:48:08,689 --> 01:48:06,060
meeting with Witnesses

2503
01:48:10,430 --> 01:48:08,699
one man didn't want to give his name or

2504
01:48:12,109 --> 01:48:10,440
his identity

2505
01:48:14,209 --> 01:48:12,119
he's very very sketchy I think he was a

2506
01:48:17,930 --> 01:48:14,219
bit scared actually but um he told us

2507
01:48:19,729 --> 01:48:17,940
where he was he was in um the Lando area

2508
01:48:23,450 --> 01:48:19,739
looking down

2509
01:48:26,090 --> 01:48:23,460
into the valley at [\h__\h] level Park and he

2510
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:26,100
saw a black triangular craft displaying

2511
01:48:30,709 --> 01:48:28,320
lights hovering over the moreover area

2512
01:48:32,689 --> 01:48:30,719
which is roughly where

2513
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:32,699
uh Swansea City Football Club I've got

2514
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:39,590
and he said it was low and he was

2515
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:41,760
actually looking slightly down onto it

2516
01:48:45,410 --> 01:48:43,920
because he was on an elevated position

2517
01:48:47,629 --> 01:48:45,420
on the hill

2518
01:48:49,850 --> 01:48:47,639
so this is quite unusual for a UFO sight

2519
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:49,860
then he was actually looking down on the

2520
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:53,040
object all right he said he was about

2521
01:48:57,050 --> 01:48:54,480
the size of a bus

2522
01:48:59,090 --> 01:48:57,060
and uh

2523
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:59,100
he said he was just above rooftop hiked

2524
01:49:03,649 --> 01:49:01,199
and was drifting slowly

2525
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:03,659
move to your left slightly yeah I mean I

2526
01:49:06,770 --> 01:49:05,520
can't see you on the camera they're

2527
01:49:08,930 --> 01:49:06,780
going to see a part of your head that's

2528
01:49:11,689 --> 01:49:08,940
it that's better but

2529
01:49:16,250 --> 01:49:11,699
yeah again that was about 6PM so

2530
01:49:18,770 --> 01:49:16,260
that was it that was a a low altitude

2531
01:49:20,990 --> 01:49:18,780
at the same time that these two big

2532
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:21,000
objects were seen overkillway Hill

2533
01:49:25,070 --> 01:49:23,520
uh the CID guy saw it going over over

2534
01:49:27,109 --> 01:49:25,080
the valley towards them

2535
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:27,119
so it can't be the same object but it's

2536
01:49:29,570 --> 01:49:28,320
at the same time

2537
01:49:31,729 --> 01:49:29,580
yeah

2538
01:49:34,910 --> 01:49:31,739
this is what's coming up time and time

2539
01:49:37,129 --> 01:49:34,920
again there's objects seen at the same

2540
01:49:40,010 --> 01:49:37,139
time but in different localities and

2541
01:49:43,970 --> 01:49:42,350
or yeah well this this guy said he was a

2542
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:43,980
black triangular one

2543
01:49:49,490 --> 01:49:47,280
the CID one saw him oblong object with a

2544
01:49:51,709 --> 01:49:49,500
with a triangular one behind it

2545
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:51,719
I mean have we cataloged how many

2546
01:49:56,270 --> 01:49:53,760
different shapes there were

2547
01:49:57,590 --> 01:49:56,280
because of yeah now we've got we've got

2548
01:50:01,010 --> 01:49:57,600
to be about six or seven different

2549
01:50:03,470 --> 01:50:01,020
shapes already and different sizes

2550
01:50:10,810 --> 01:50:03,480
well on this particular light yeah yeah

2551
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:13,129
small triangles I've been I've been

2552
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:15,119
trying to work out from the witnesses

2553
01:50:20,270 --> 01:50:18,000
testimonies whether they witnesses to

2554
01:50:22,250 --> 01:50:20,280
the same object

2555
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:22,260
traveling over because they're moving

2556
01:50:26,090 --> 01:50:23,520
over an area

2557
01:50:28,910 --> 01:50:26,100
look at uh I'm wondering whether this is

2558
01:50:30,250 --> 01:50:28,920
like slide nine territory altered

2559
01:50:32,209 --> 01:50:30,260
perceptions

2560
01:50:34,729 --> 01:50:32,219
manifesting as different things for

2561
01:50:36,770 --> 01:50:34,739
different people you know the object

2562
01:50:39,229 --> 01:50:36,780
that I saw you know nobody else saw this

2563
01:50:41,149 --> 01:50:39,239
miles widecraft was it really a miles

2564
01:50:43,070 --> 01:50:41,159
wide craft was it was it a small little

2565
01:50:45,410 --> 01:50:43,080
craft you know there was just my

2566
01:50:46,910 --> 01:50:45,420
perception maybe resulted

2567
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:46,920
you know it makes you wonder it really

2568
01:50:49,970 --> 01:50:48,239
does make you wonder because we're all

2569
01:50:52,370 --> 01:50:49,980
reporting different shapes in different

2570
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:52,380
sizes yeah they're all in different

2571
01:50:57,709 --> 01:50:54,719
locations around the same size strange

2572
01:50:58,729 --> 01:50:57,719
an object the same object viewed by

2573
01:51:01,370 --> 01:50:58,739
different Witnesses and different

2574
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:01,380
localities can alter the shape of the

2575
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:03,119
object of different people depending on

2576
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:06,000
the angle maybe yeah that's that as well

2577
01:51:09,169 --> 01:51:06,960
yeah

2578
01:51:11,450 --> 01:51:09,179
this is you can see about this one is

2579
01:51:13,370 --> 01:51:11,460
you know it's not far from some of the

2580
01:51:15,830 --> 01:51:13,380
other ones we've just talked about yeah

2581
01:51:17,390 --> 01:51:15,840
yeah they're quite quite close together

2582
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,400
the sightings round about the same time

2583
01:51:22,609 --> 01:51:19,440
we could do the map with all the

2584
01:51:28,490 --> 01:51:24,430
yeah okay

2585
01:51:29,810 --> 01:51:28,500
yeah what's our next uh report

2586
01:51:31,550 --> 01:51:29,820
oh these are rolling bats no

2587
01:51:34,010 --> 01:51:31,560
unfortunately Roland bets is no longer

2588
01:51:35,209 --> 01:51:34,020
on this planet he's passed on to another

2589
01:51:37,609 --> 01:51:35,219
dimension

2590
01:51:39,530 --> 01:51:37,619
and um

2591
01:51:41,990 --> 01:51:39,540
passed away in other words

2592
01:51:45,050 --> 01:51:42,000
um this is approximately 6 p.m now we he

2593
01:51:48,290 --> 01:51:45,060
was living in Calais dunvent Road in

2594
01:51:50,810 --> 01:51:48,300
Calais uh kaleid Denman area which is

2595
01:51:52,729 --> 01:51:50,820
west of the city and uh he just

2596
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:52,739
uncoupled his trailer he was a he was a

2597
01:51:56,090 --> 01:51:54,000
lorry driver

2598
01:51:59,149 --> 01:51:56,100
and uh

2599
01:52:00,530 --> 01:51:59,159
from his look at location in Denver high

2600
01:52:02,870 --> 01:52:00,540
up on the hill with a sweeping view over

2601
01:52:04,970 --> 01:52:02,880
Swansea Bay he said as I got out of my

2602
01:52:07,370 --> 01:52:04,980
vehicle I was attracted by a large area

2603
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:07,380
of stars that were blocked out

2604
01:52:12,530 --> 01:52:10,080
there was a massive round object

2605
01:52:14,149 --> 01:52:12,540
I would guess at approximately 10 to 20

2606
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:14,159
000 feet in the air so this one's pretty

2607
01:52:18,050 --> 01:52:16,560
pretty high up this one is compared to

2608
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:18,060
the last couple we've talked looked up

2609
01:52:22,250 --> 01:52:20,159
looked at it appeared to have lights

2610
01:52:24,770 --> 01:52:22,260
around the perimeter and was absolutely

2611
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:24,780
silent if it was moving it was moving

2612
01:52:28,970 --> 01:52:26,400
very slowly

2613
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:28,980
some reason it didn't sink into my mind

2614
01:52:32,270 --> 01:52:30,480
what it might be

2615
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:32,280
I went into the house and told my wife

2616
01:52:37,850 --> 01:52:35,040
that I just seen a UFO in the sky

2617
01:52:39,050 --> 01:52:37,860
imagine my surprise when she told me

2618
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:39,060
that the program had just been

2619
01:52:44,270 --> 01:52:41,040
interrupted by news broadcast relating

2620
01:52:47,149 --> 01:52:44,280
to a UFO having been cited over between

2621
01:52:49,070 --> 01:52:47,159
Swansea and Cardiff by many people

2622
01:52:51,410 --> 01:52:49,080
now that was quoted by John Hanson again

2623
01:52:53,629 --> 01:52:51,420
in his haunted Skies

2624
01:52:56,149 --> 01:52:53,639
so there was a news report on the night

2625
01:52:58,669 --> 01:52:56,159
of the triangles of a UFO being spotted

2626
01:53:00,050 --> 01:52:58,679
in the area can we get hold of that has

2627
01:53:03,770 --> 01:53:00,060
anyone ever got a hold of that news

2628
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:03,780
report I wondered if it was over on a

2629
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:05,760
rate over the radio rather than TV

2630
01:53:10,850 --> 01:53:08,880
because I can't keep it on TV so you're

2631
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:10,860
gonna be accepted like Swansea sound all

2632
01:53:15,410 --> 01:53:13,679
the way yeah wave one it just says it's

2633
01:53:17,390 --> 01:53:15,420
just referred to a program it doesn't

2634
01:53:20,030 --> 01:53:17,400
save as TV or radio yeah it was just

2635
01:53:21,709 --> 01:53:20,040
interrupted by news broadcast and I got

2636
01:53:23,510 --> 01:53:21,719
a feeling if it's local it's probably

2637
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:23,520
the radio isn't it yeah I've Got a

2638
01:53:28,330 --> 01:53:26,159
Feeling song this sounded every now and

2639
01:53:31,370 --> 01:53:28,340
again they mentioned UFOs

2640
01:53:33,770 --> 01:53:31,380
UFOs so it could rather have been

2641
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:33,780
you know from that sort of that program

2642
01:53:39,290 --> 01:53:36,480
yeah try to find the program is uh no

2643
01:53:40,729 --> 01:53:39,300
yeah uh Steve drewson tried to track

2644
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:40,739
down Roland bets and he found out that

2645
01:53:46,609 --> 01:53:43,440
Roland died a few years ago so you can't

2646
01:53:50,689 --> 01:53:48,770
and this is the area where he was again

2647
01:53:54,109 --> 01:53:50,699
it's not far from it's from the airport

2648
01:53:56,750 --> 01:53:54,119
where we've just been yeah and his his

2649
01:53:57,709 --> 01:53:56,760
object that he saw was 10 to 20 000 feet

2650
01:54:01,550 --> 01:53:57,719
in here

2651
01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:01,560
round about six o'clock same time as the

2652
01:54:07,850 --> 01:54:05,280
the CID officers and that unidentified

2653
01:54:09,709 --> 01:54:07,860
witness who was in Lando who's looking

2654
01:54:11,570 --> 01:54:09,719
down on the object

2655
01:54:14,750 --> 01:54:11,580
obviously not twenty thousand feet to be

2656
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:14,760
looking down on it yeah at the same time

2657
01:54:21,590 --> 01:54:18,239
at the same time okay next one I cannot

2658
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:21,600
believe that there are no pictures

2659
01:54:27,229 --> 01:54:24,000
no it's all these Witnesses

2660
01:54:30,229 --> 01:54:27,239
in 1983 we still had cameras in 1983.

2661
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:30,239
you know it was at night

2662
01:54:34,609 --> 01:54:33,360
true who not many people walked around

2663
01:54:37,189 --> 01:54:34,619
with a camera

2664
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:37,199
like they go like no I've had mobile

2665
01:54:41,810 --> 01:54:39,360
phones there'd be loads of people walk

2666
01:54:43,609 --> 01:54:41,820
around yeah mobile phones a lot a lot of

2667
01:54:45,649 --> 01:54:43,619
these Witnesses about as well they're uh

2668
01:54:47,870 --> 01:54:45,659
were children at the time yeah true

2669
01:54:50,090 --> 01:54:47,880
enough yeah apart from the ones which uh

2670
01:54:50,990 --> 01:54:50,100
passed away already uh elderly no there

2671
01:54:52,850 --> 01:54:51,000
you are

2672
01:54:54,890 --> 01:54:52,860
this is this is the CID guy do you want

2673
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:54,900
me to read it out to all just yeah go

2674
01:54:59,330 --> 01:54:57,119
for it yeah

2675
01:55:06,830 --> 01:55:04,129
yeah Mike Mike Troke and constant well

2676
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:06,840
detective Sergeant Mike Troke and

2677
01:55:18,530 --> 01:55:16,490
okay all right yeah detective Sergeant

2678
01:55:20,750 --> 01:55:18,540
Michael Troke and detective Constable

2679
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:20,760
Geffen James okay

2680
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:22,800
they've been uh I speak to burglaries in

2681
01:55:27,290 --> 01:55:25,199
the traffic area and they've gone to see

2682
01:55:30,169 --> 01:55:27,300
um a member of the public

2683
01:55:31,910 --> 01:55:30,179
to take a statement and uh they were

2684
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:31,920
just coming out of the house which was

2685
01:55:37,250 --> 01:55:34,800
right at the top of myself in the tele

2686
01:55:39,649 --> 01:55:37,260
copper area

2687
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:39,659
and uh

2688
01:55:44,090 --> 01:55:42,960
looking South West really good view down

2689
01:55:45,890 --> 01:55:44,100
the valley because I'm actually from

2690
01:55:47,209 --> 01:55:45,900
track and I know the area really well I

2691
01:55:48,830 --> 01:55:47,219
grew up there I actually did a paper

2692
01:55:49,970 --> 01:55:48,840
rounds probably to the house that

2693
01:55:51,830 --> 01:55:49,980
they're talking about

2694
01:55:55,070 --> 01:55:51,840
uh

2695
01:55:57,649 --> 01:55:55,080
Mike says good god what the hell is that

2696
01:56:00,649 --> 01:55:57,659
gethin replied it's like two football

2697
01:56:02,810 --> 01:56:00,659
pitches to which Mike said it's like the

2698
01:56:04,669 --> 01:56:02,820
whole length of Woodfield Street which

2699
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:04,679
is the main street in Morriston you know

2700
01:56:08,990 --> 01:56:06,719
where yeah yeah

2701
01:56:11,209 --> 01:56:09,000
Mike described it as being rectangular

2702
01:56:13,430 --> 01:56:11,219
with flashing blue lights arranged along

2703
01:56:15,530 --> 01:56:13,440
the sides and there were two blue

2704
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:15,540
triangular lights at the rear

2705
01:56:20,149 --> 01:56:18,000
all part of one object moving slowly

2706
01:56:23,270 --> 01:56:20,159
towards them from the southwest

2707
01:56:26,030 --> 01:56:23,280
so up up the Valley from the Lando area

2708
01:56:28,370 --> 01:56:26,040
I feel like it's in kelvale it was about

2709
01:56:30,350 --> 01:56:28,380
half a mile to a mile away from them in

2710
01:56:34,010 --> 01:56:30,360
the southwest moving from the Lando area

2711
01:56:36,350 --> 01:56:34,020
it was blocking out the stars behind it

2712
01:56:38,510 --> 01:56:36,360
they were looking up at it at an angle

2713
01:56:40,490 --> 01:56:38,520
of about 45 degrees

2714
01:56:42,410 --> 01:56:40,500
there was no sound from the object and

2715
01:56:43,729 --> 01:56:42,420
when it was roughly over the winchwen

2716
01:56:46,990 --> 01:56:43,739
area

2717
01:56:49,250 --> 01:56:47,000
it's slowly turned to the left

2718
01:56:51,590 --> 01:56:49,260
which would have been the object to

2719
01:56:53,930 --> 01:56:51,600
write you know so it turned right itself

2720
01:56:55,850 --> 01:56:53,940
you know but from there point the

2721
01:56:58,010 --> 01:56:55,860
Viewpoint it turned to their left and

2722
01:56:59,930 --> 01:56:58,020
shot off to the south towards Swansea

2723
01:57:02,330 --> 01:56:59,940
Bay now he says shot off so presumably

2724
01:57:04,189 --> 01:57:02,340
speeded up the herd over their police

2725
01:57:05,870 --> 01:57:04,199
radio that many reports were coming in

2726
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:05,880
from the public about seeing

2727
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:08,880
unidentified objects in the sky

2728
01:57:12,589 --> 01:57:10,320
there were a number of calls from the

2729
01:57:14,270 --> 01:57:12,599
poor tenants and St Thomas area which is

2730
01:57:16,129 --> 01:57:14,280
in the docks area

2731
01:57:18,229 --> 01:57:16,139
something kill the hill

2732
01:57:19,970 --> 01:57:18,239
about two hours later back at the

2733
01:57:22,070 --> 01:57:19,980
station they received a phone call from

2734
01:57:23,570 --> 01:57:22,080
the RAF at xbridge

2735
01:57:26,629 --> 01:57:23,580
this is interesting because they already

2736
01:57:28,910 --> 01:57:26,639
yeah we're taking an interest here and

2737
01:57:31,490 --> 01:57:28,920
they were they were and then they were

2738
01:57:33,709 --> 01:57:31,500
interviewed separately so did the RAF

2739
01:57:37,209 --> 01:57:33,719
contact the police or the police contact

2740
01:57:39,649 --> 01:57:37,219
the RAF yeah they received a various

2741
01:57:42,410 --> 01:57:39,659
contacted the police because they must

2742
01:57:43,990 --> 01:57:42,420
have seen something on radio

2743
01:57:49,310 --> 01:57:44,000
yeah

2744
01:57:50,330 --> 01:57:49,320
police the police had just radio phoned

2745
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:50,340
in the

2746
01:57:54,709 --> 01:57:52,800
the two police officers had seen

2747
01:57:57,229 --> 01:57:54,719
something maybe it was two hours later

2748
01:57:59,570 --> 01:57:57,239
so that it took two hours for the uh I

2749
01:58:00,950 --> 01:57:59,580
have to find out that the two CID guys

2750
01:58:02,870 --> 01:58:00,960
saw it

2751
01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:02,880
they were asked the same prepared

2752
01:58:08,030 --> 01:58:05,760
questions such as description size what

2753
01:58:10,010 --> 01:58:08,040
did it do Etc

2754
01:58:12,109 --> 01:58:10,020
this is what microtrope told me and

2755
01:58:14,629 --> 01:58:12,119
Steve when we went to see him

2756
01:58:16,070 --> 01:58:14,639
before we put this up on the on our

2757
01:58:18,649 --> 01:58:16,080
website

2758
01:58:21,530 --> 01:58:18,659
that little negative information wasn't

2759
01:58:23,570 --> 01:58:21,540
made public yeah it wasn't in the

2760
01:58:25,370 --> 01:58:23,580
haunted Sky series it wasn't in the it

2761
01:58:27,109 --> 01:58:25,380
wasn't in the evening post references

2762
01:58:28,669 --> 01:58:27,119
that we found this is the first time

2763
01:58:31,910 --> 01:58:28,679
I've heard about this I didn't know the

2764
01:58:34,850 --> 01:58:31,920
RAF had got involved yeah

2765
01:58:36,290 --> 01:58:34,860
I'd actually forgotten that that bit so

2766
01:58:38,629 --> 01:58:36,300
it's pretty important bit and I forgot

2767
01:58:40,729 --> 01:58:38,639
about that like later BBC Wales

2768
01:58:42,890 --> 01:58:40,739
telephones and asked Mike for an

2769
01:58:45,290 --> 01:58:42,900
interview but he declined

2770
01:58:46,729 --> 01:58:45,300
fearing that they would be ridiculed

2771
01:58:49,729 --> 01:58:46,739
which would

2772
01:58:51,169 --> 01:58:49,739
obviously been the case at that time for

2773
01:58:52,370 --> 01:58:51,179
the police if you remember

2774
01:58:54,410 --> 01:58:52,380
um

2775
01:58:55,910 --> 01:58:54,420
Alan Godfrey got ridiculous at the time

2776
01:58:58,729 --> 01:58:55,920
didn't he and that was only that was

2777
01:59:02,330 --> 01:58:58,739
only three years before so yeah but

2778
01:59:08,030 --> 01:59:05,149
oh it's gone I can't I was gonna say now

2779
01:59:10,250 --> 01:59:08,040
carry on as you were

2780
01:59:13,609 --> 01:59:10,260
so have we got this drawing that you did

2781
01:59:17,450 --> 01:59:13,619
I think uh adoption we got uh

2782
01:59:19,310 --> 01:59:17,460
oh yeah in the in the local newspapers

2783
01:59:22,790 --> 01:59:19,320
there were

2784
01:59:25,250 --> 01:59:22,800
a couple of Articles over days after one

2785
01:59:26,570 --> 01:59:25,260
of the the quoted like the mod

2786
01:59:29,149 --> 01:59:26,580
because they had obviously spoken to

2787
01:59:31,490 --> 01:59:29,159
them about it and don't forget we last

2788
01:59:33,169 --> 01:59:31,500
time we had this we on part one we

2789
01:59:35,709 --> 01:59:33,179
talked about a helicopter being from

2790
01:59:38,570 --> 01:59:35,719
Brody

2791
01:59:41,510 --> 01:59:38,580
yeah so they obviously do something

2792
01:59:45,050 --> 01:59:41,520
because there was a helicopter Broly

2793
01:59:51,050 --> 01:59:48,470
sure anyway this is the area

2794
01:59:53,810 --> 01:59:51,060
where they saw it again the mighty half

2795
01:59:56,930 --> 01:59:53,820
area you know yeah on the traveling

2796
01:59:58,089 --> 01:59:56,940
Telecom area so it's quite on a hill

2797
02:00:00,350 --> 01:59:58,099
yeah yeah

2798
02:00:02,570 --> 02:00:00,360
there's a picture of Mike Trout now

2799
02:00:04,129 --> 02:00:02,580
doing his drawing so this picture I

2800
02:00:05,510 --> 02:00:04,139
talking I mean Steve went to see you I

2801
02:00:08,629 --> 02:00:05,520
haven't got that I just got back a sec

2802
02:00:11,510 --> 02:00:08,639
did they did so that the RAF

2803
02:00:14,510 --> 02:00:11,520
contacted the police there's no reports

2804
02:00:17,030 --> 02:00:14,520
then of um jets in the area or anything

2805
02:00:19,370 --> 02:00:17,040
else on later that evening or they

2806
02:00:23,169 --> 02:00:19,380
didn't send up any planes to to look

2807
02:00:26,570 --> 02:00:25,070
Milan and

2808
02:00:28,609 --> 02:00:26,580
um

2809
02:00:30,950 --> 02:00:28,619
what's his brother's name Byron Byron

2810
02:00:33,950 --> 02:00:30,960
yeah Milan and Byron baliac and go sign

2811
02:00:36,830 --> 02:00:33,960
in no sighting yeah they told us that

2812
02:00:39,350 --> 02:00:36,840
the following morning uh very early

2813
02:00:43,790 --> 02:00:39,360
there was a hell of a lot of uh military

2814
02:00:45,290 --> 02:00:43,800
planes flying around Jets and helicopter

2815
02:00:48,830 --> 02:00:45,300
but that was the following morning you

2816
02:00:52,850 --> 02:00:50,930
makes you wonder why they would think it

2817
02:00:53,930 --> 02:00:52,860
would be necessary to come the next day

2818
02:00:55,850 --> 02:00:53,940
for a

2819
02:00:57,370 --> 02:00:55,860
what are they going to see it's strange

2820
02:00:59,390 --> 02:00:57,380
isn't it

2821
02:01:01,850 --> 02:00:59,400
strange unless they picked something up

2822
02:01:05,570 --> 02:01:01,860
on radar that we we can't see ourselves

2823
02:01:07,850 --> 02:01:05,580
and they've gone to investigate or maybe

2824
02:01:10,189 --> 02:01:07,860
it just took them a while to

2825
02:01:13,609 --> 02:01:10,199
for the wheels to get in motion to to

2826
02:01:15,290 --> 02:01:13,619
organize it you know 83 years you know

2827
02:01:16,910 --> 02:01:15,300
that was like 40 years ago yeah it

2828
02:01:18,470 --> 02:01:16,920
didn't have the internet then

2829
02:01:21,770 --> 02:01:18,480
so he was all worthy Mouse and telephone

2830
02:01:25,209 --> 02:01:21,780
and um stuff on the radio and maybe

2831
02:01:29,570 --> 02:01:28,310
going on and if if it was going to break

2832
02:01:31,490 --> 02:01:29,580
out you know they're supposed to

2833
02:01:33,530 --> 02:01:31,500
scramble quick and get up in the air and

2834
02:01:35,390 --> 02:01:33,540
see and you know and see what's going on

2835
02:01:37,430 --> 02:01:35,400
so you'd think

2836
02:01:39,709 --> 02:01:37,440
you know they could scramble some a

2837
02:01:41,930 --> 02:01:39,719
plane or two or a helicopter and get it

2838
02:01:43,790 --> 02:01:41,940
up to take a look it's strange that they

2839
02:01:45,109 --> 02:01:43,800
come back the next day that's what I'm

2840
02:01:47,270 --> 02:01:45,119
that's what I'm getting at I mean unless

2841
02:01:49,609 --> 02:01:47,280
they've had a report of something still

2842
02:01:52,550 --> 02:01:49,619
in the the area the next day as well and

2843
02:01:54,950 --> 02:01:52,560
they've gone to you know they've reacted

2844
02:01:56,810 --> 02:01:54,960
to that perhaps we also knew about it in

2845
02:01:59,089 --> 02:01:56,820
the night because they you know they

2846
02:02:01,550 --> 02:01:59,099
take they from the the police station

2847
02:02:02,930 --> 02:02:01,560
and talked to talk to the police

2848
02:02:04,609 --> 02:02:02,940
officers you know something obviously

2849
02:02:08,450 --> 02:02:04,619
dealership that was going on

2850
02:02:12,229 --> 02:02:10,370
I think that's the part of this case we

2851
02:02:13,870 --> 02:02:12,239
need to do a bit more research on I

2852
02:02:15,950 --> 02:02:13,880
think

2853
02:02:19,490 --> 02:02:15,960
can we do a freedom of information

2854
02:02:20,930 --> 02:02:19,500
request on what the RAF were told how

2855
02:02:23,990 --> 02:02:20,940
they found out

2856
02:02:25,370 --> 02:02:24,000
you know what was going on and maybe a

2857
02:02:27,770 --> 02:02:25,380
bit more about the police side of things

2858
02:02:30,830 --> 02:02:27,780
through that as well so you can say the

2859
02:02:33,290 --> 02:02:30,840
fla to the police to see how many phone

2860
02:02:35,870 --> 02:02:33,300
calls they had and etc etc on that night

2861
02:02:39,350 --> 02:02:35,880
you know this one's a another witness

2862
02:02:41,570 --> 02:02:39,360
above 6 p.m this is another imod file

2863
02:02:44,629 --> 02:02:41,580
the witness's location was fun hendy

2864
02:02:47,629 --> 02:02:44,639
which is uh fairly area just between

2865
02:02:49,970 --> 02:02:47,639
lacquer and uh flanaki overlooking

2866
02:02:52,070 --> 02:02:49,980
towards the North Gower area now over

2867
02:02:55,189 --> 02:02:52,080
the Estuary yeah yeah and the witness

2868
02:02:57,410 --> 02:02:55,199
says over a period of 10 minutes uh

2869
02:02:59,629 --> 02:02:57,420
saw two objects long

2870
02:03:03,109 --> 02:02:59,639
one in front of the other second object

2871
02:03:05,089 --> 02:03:03,119
had large red steady light on the front

2872
02:03:08,450 --> 02:03:05,099
and a flashing white light in the center

2873
02:03:10,310 --> 02:03:08,460
and a tail of both objects it moved from

2874
02:03:13,910 --> 02:03:10,320
the Swansea Direction and then headed

2875
02:03:16,669 --> 02:03:13,920
towards Goa at a steady slow speed so

2876
02:03:19,129 --> 02:03:16,679
that could have been the site uh the

2877
02:03:21,109 --> 02:03:19,139
site in the Roland bets the Lorry driver

2878
02:03:24,050 --> 02:03:21,119
saw

2879
02:03:27,530 --> 02:03:24,060
maybe from this this witness would have

2880
02:03:29,810 --> 02:03:27,540
been at a distance and just described

2881
02:03:31,550 --> 02:03:29,820
heading over the Goa and the first thing

2882
02:03:33,890 --> 02:03:31,560
you you've got to realize with these

2883
02:03:36,050 --> 02:03:33,900
when people make a report like this this

2884
02:03:38,570 --> 02:03:36,060
was at a time when people were getting

2885
02:03:40,669 --> 02:03:38,580
ridiculed and it was a lot of you know

2886
02:03:42,709 --> 02:03:40,679
you you take a lot of stick for saying I

2887
02:03:44,689 --> 02:03:42,719
saw a UFO you didn't want to look an

2888
02:03:46,850 --> 02:03:44,699
idiot and that we've got all these

2889
02:03:48,950 --> 02:03:46,860
reports from one night from all these

2890
02:03:50,570 --> 02:03:48,960
different Witnesses who put themselves

2891
02:03:52,430 --> 02:03:50,580
in content it's not just

2892
02:03:53,870 --> 02:03:52,440
um you know they found the police and

2893
02:03:55,609 --> 02:03:53,880
they've reported these things they're

2894
02:03:57,050 --> 02:03:55,619
not just telling their mate they're in

2895
02:04:00,490 --> 02:03:57,060
the pub they phoned the police and

2896
02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:00,500
they've put a proper report in yeah

2897
02:04:04,910 --> 02:04:03,360
it's pretty shocking another time there

2898
02:04:10,070 --> 02:04:04,920
was a system in place where the police

2899
02:04:12,709 --> 02:04:10,080
had to make a record of the report and

2900
02:04:15,350 --> 02:04:12,719
then pass it on to the mod because it

2901
02:04:17,030 --> 02:04:15,360
was to do with objects in the sky you

2902
02:04:20,149 --> 02:04:17,040
know it could have been could be defense

2903
02:04:21,350 --> 02:04:20,159
issue yeah so they had to do that yeah

2904
02:04:26,990 --> 02:04:21,360
no

2905
02:04:30,609 --> 02:04:27,000
do that anymore I don't forget it's um

2906
02:04:34,609 --> 02:04:32,750
it's just been in the House of Lords

2907
02:04:36,410 --> 02:04:34,619
they've just they've just held you know

2908
02:04:37,430 --> 02:04:36,420
they just they just they can't even

2909
02:04:39,530 --> 02:04:37,440
think what they call it but they

2910
02:04:41,089 --> 02:04:39,540
basically just some baronesses basically

2911
02:04:43,070 --> 02:04:41,099
come from the ministry of defense and

2912
02:04:45,169 --> 02:04:43,080
said in the House of Lords that they do

2913
02:04:48,169 --> 02:04:45,179
not consider this uh

2914
02:04:50,450 --> 02:04:48,179
um a defense risk of any type so they

2915
02:04:52,910 --> 02:04:50,460
they no longer investigating it yeah

2916
02:04:54,350 --> 02:04:52,920
well the yeah so there is nowhere to

2917
02:04:56,390 --> 02:04:54,360
report these things anyway I mean that's

2918
02:04:58,490 --> 02:04:56,400
what they tell us I find they're hard to

2919
02:04:59,870 --> 02:04:58,500
believe personally but I think there is

2920
02:05:01,970 --> 02:04:59,880
probably still somebody still

2921
02:05:04,129 --> 02:05:01,980
investigating it's just we're unaware of

2922
02:05:07,490 --> 02:05:04,139
it do one on behind the scenes the mod

2923
02:05:11,330 --> 02:05:07,500
calls the public UFO Reporting

2924
02:05:14,750 --> 02:05:11,340
desk in 2009 yeah and they say they

2925
02:05:17,209 --> 02:05:14,760
closed the box so there's no more

2926
02:05:18,950 --> 02:05:17,219
no more filing the reports but I think

2927
02:05:22,910 --> 02:05:18,960
the this it still goes on behind the

2928
02:05:24,290 --> 02:05:22,920
scenes yeah don't forget then that um

2929
02:05:26,689 --> 02:05:24,300
they would

2930
02:05:28,669 --> 02:05:26,699
people would be phone in the Mot

2931
02:05:31,070 --> 02:05:28,679
to say what you know what you know what

2932
02:05:33,169 --> 02:05:31,080
this brain is what this triangle looking

2933
02:05:35,570 --> 02:05:33,179
plane is yeah you know so they formed

2934
02:05:38,270 --> 02:05:35,580
the police they found the mod and that's

2935
02:05:38,950 --> 02:05:38,280
how we came out of course you know these

2936
02:05:41,510 --> 02:05:38,960
um

2937
02:05:43,310 --> 02:05:41,520
I phoned the police on the night when I

2938
02:05:45,589 --> 02:05:43,320
saw the object land down by the locker

2939
02:05:47,689 --> 02:05:45,599
Estuary when I lived down that way and

2940
02:05:49,550 --> 02:05:47,699
the police kept on coming back to me but

2941
02:05:51,470 --> 02:05:49,560
you know I never seen a report they

2942
02:05:53,930 --> 02:05:51,480
never got to the mod from where I can

2943
02:05:55,430 --> 02:05:53,940
gather you know and those that had all

2944
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:55,440
stopped at that point it was literally

2945
02:06:04,510 --> 02:05:57,119
me talking to the local police station

2946
02:06:11,870 --> 02:06:09,250
sorry all right they come for you mate

2947
02:06:12,910 --> 02:06:11,880
we'll captured on film The abduction now

2948
02:06:23,089 --> 02:06:12,920
yeah

2949
02:06:24,830 --> 02:06:23,099
that's the location's going handy where

2950
02:06:27,470 --> 02:06:24,840
that last witness said that looking

2951
02:06:29,890 --> 02:06:27,480
across the Goa in the South yeah

2952
02:06:33,709 --> 02:06:29,900
should I press that one huh

2953
02:06:35,629 --> 02:06:33,719
yeah right this is uh another mod report

2954
02:06:38,390 --> 02:06:35,639
referred to by in the haunted Skies

2955
02:06:40,609 --> 02:06:38,400
series by John Hanson

2956
02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:40,619
um citing

2957
02:06:45,470 --> 02:06:42,480
South Wales echo which is a cardboard

2958
02:06:48,350 --> 02:06:45,480
paper Okay fight by six

2959
02:06:50,930 --> 02:06:48,360
a silver colored saucer shaped object

2960
02:06:54,109 --> 02:06:50,940
different showing four or five lights

2961
02:06:57,109 --> 02:06:54,119
flashing in rotation was seen Motionless

2962
02:06:59,270 --> 02:06:57,119
In The Sky or with the steel works

2963
02:07:02,689 --> 02:06:59,280
now that would have been portal but yeah

2964
02:07:05,030 --> 02:07:02,699
at 605 p.m British deal back then it's

2965
02:07:07,189 --> 02:07:05,040
Tartan Avenue yeah a few minutes later

2966
02:07:09,290 --> 02:07:07,199
he was joined by a second UFO the two of

2967
02:07:11,870 --> 02:07:09,300
them then moved off towards Swansea this

2968
02:07:13,790 --> 02:07:11,880
is five past six it's all happening six

2969
02:07:15,709 --> 02:07:13,800
o'clock was the time that you know we've

2970
02:07:17,510 --> 02:07:15,719
talked about four or five cases now yeah

2971
02:07:19,490 --> 02:07:17,520
they're all roughly about six o'clock

2972
02:07:21,410 --> 02:07:19,500
yeah I think Milan and

2973
02:07:23,450 --> 02:07:21,420
my room was quarter past six and

2974
02:07:25,970 --> 02:07:23,460
Auckland Jones

2975
02:07:28,070 --> 02:07:25,980
it is dark in the UK so people who don't

2976
02:07:29,990 --> 02:07:28,080
realize at that time of year it's dark

2977
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:30,000
in the UK at around six o'clock in

2978
02:07:34,970 --> 02:07:32,000
January yeah

2979
02:07:38,089 --> 02:07:34,980
and I I noticed in in the mod report it

2980
02:07:40,250 --> 02:07:38,099
recorded the time period as being 1750

2981
02:07:42,830 --> 02:07:40,260
to 1815.

2982
02:07:44,750 --> 02:07:42,840
okay

2983
02:07:46,250 --> 02:07:44,760
so so that

2984
02:07:48,350 --> 02:07:46,260
that was referred to in the South Wales

2985
02:07:50,149 --> 02:07:48,360
Echo as well

2986
02:07:53,390 --> 02:07:50,159
this is the area

2987
02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:53,400
from the top of this table yeah

2988
02:07:58,129 --> 02:07:55,920
so they all you know you can see all the

2989
02:08:01,129 --> 02:07:58,139
hair is just a certainly yeah they've

2990
02:08:02,990 --> 02:08:01,139
hugged the coast and is that when you

2991
02:08:04,669 --> 02:08:03,000
pinpointed where these people lived and

2992
02:08:06,950 --> 02:08:04,679
the ones who reported it is that what

2993
02:08:08,570 --> 02:08:06,960
you've noticed that this these objects

2994
02:08:10,669 --> 02:08:08,580
have all hugged the coast

2995
02:08:12,830 --> 02:08:10,679
yeah they're all around a certain area

2996
02:08:14,990 --> 02:08:12,840
they haven't they haven't ventured in

2997
02:08:16,250 --> 02:08:15,000
into mid Wales or anywhere like that you

2998
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:16,260
haven't got any Witnesses up there from

2999
02:08:22,910 --> 02:08:21,169
that sort of area

3000
02:08:25,550 --> 02:08:22,920
I found one report from uh motor

3001
02:08:28,370 --> 02:08:25,560
tedville and a couple from cumbran we

3002
02:08:31,669 --> 02:08:28,380
have got we have got uh at least three

3003
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:31,679
other tribes this is to chase up one of

3004
02:08:35,750 --> 02:08:33,599
those up in Nevada's

3005
02:08:38,149 --> 02:08:35,760
and I can't know where the other two are

3006
02:08:40,550 --> 02:08:38,159
but they were all around these are new

3007
02:08:43,370 --> 02:08:40,560
witnesses that have just come in yeah

3008
02:08:46,129 --> 02:08:43,380
wow so we're still we're still this case

3009
02:08:47,629 --> 02:08:46,139
is still live and active yeah we are

3010
02:08:49,609 --> 02:08:47,639
still we are still getting new people

3011
02:08:52,669 --> 02:08:49,619
coming forward even though after all

3012
02:08:55,930 --> 02:08:52,679
these years like this is 1983 for

3013
02:08:59,870 --> 02:08:58,070
and that's pretty impressive it made

3014
02:09:03,129 --> 02:08:59,880
such an impression on them they're still

3015
02:09:09,350 --> 02:09:06,950
up online or anything they just contact

3016
02:09:11,750 --> 02:09:09,360
us with a sighted they had

3017
02:09:13,609 --> 02:09:11,760
or a certain date I mean we look at it

3018
02:09:15,609 --> 02:09:13,619
they go all right yeah that's nice

3019
02:09:17,990 --> 02:09:15,619
triangles you know

3020
02:09:20,330 --> 02:09:18,000
often as I said earlier they were

3021
02:09:22,010 --> 02:09:20,340
children at the time but it's it's it

3022
02:09:24,109 --> 02:09:22,020
made such a profound effect on America

3023
02:09:27,109 --> 02:09:24,119
it stayed with them all these years oh

3024
02:09:31,490 --> 02:09:27,119
yeah yeah yeah tell me about it yeah the

3025
02:09:38,270 --> 02:09:34,609
so it's 500 this is 6 30.

3026
02:09:40,189 --> 02:09:38,280
uh Richard gravel gravel rather was

3027
02:09:42,649 --> 02:09:40,199
observing the Stars to his binoculars

3028
02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:42,659
from baglin in Port Albert

3029
02:09:47,089 --> 02:09:44,880
he observed three sets of bright lights

3030
02:09:49,430 --> 02:09:47,099
and triangular formation traveling

3031
02:09:50,990 --> 02:09:49,440
slowly in an easterly Direction

3032
02:09:52,609 --> 02:09:51,000
he assumed at the time that the lights

3033
02:09:54,350 --> 02:09:52,619
belonged to an aircraft as some of the

3034
02:09:55,550 --> 02:09:54,360
lights flashed on and off at regular

3035
02:09:58,430 --> 02:09:55,560
intervals

3036
02:10:00,530 --> 02:09:58,440
he was struck by the absence of noise as

3037
02:10:02,390 --> 02:10:00,540
the lights were going over a shooting

3038
02:10:04,970 --> 02:10:02,400
star traveling from the Northeast to

3039
02:10:07,669 --> 02:10:04,980
Southwest passed immediately Behind the

3040
02:10:09,290 --> 02:10:07,679
Lights now Steve and I went to see this

3041
02:10:10,129 --> 02:10:09,300
gentleman he still lives in the same

3042
02:10:12,709 --> 02:10:10,139
house

3043
02:10:16,250 --> 02:10:12,719
in baglin and uh

3044
02:10:18,410 --> 02:10:16,260
he actually gave me a photocopy of his

3045
02:10:21,649 --> 02:10:18,420
diary entry he actually wrote it in his

3046
02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:21,659
diary so it records exact time obviously

3047
02:10:24,649 --> 02:10:22,560
the date

3048
02:10:28,370 --> 02:10:24,659
uh which is a nice nice little document

3049
02:10:30,890 --> 02:10:28,380
to have and uh yeah yeah 6 30 p.m now

3050
02:10:32,870 --> 02:10:30,900
what he saw they were heading

3051
02:10:39,169 --> 02:10:32,880
Northeast

3052
02:10:41,570 --> 02:10:39,179
all right can you can you just put that

3053
02:10:43,010 --> 02:10:41,580
on the website Emily can you put a copy

3054
02:10:44,750 --> 02:10:43,020
of that on the website so we've got yeah

3055
02:10:46,550 --> 02:10:44,760
it is on the web he's on there already

3056
02:10:48,410 --> 02:10:46,560
is it all right okay wrong there yeah

3057
02:10:50,689 --> 02:10:48,420
that's what I well that's that's where

3058
02:10:52,430 --> 02:10:50,699
you that's where he was going north east

3059
02:10:55,250 --> 02:10:52,440
to Southwest would have been coming from

3060
02:10:56,750 --> 02:10:55,260
behind the mountains behind him he said

3061
02:10:58,250 --> 02:10:56,760
he was he was looking he was going

3062
02:11:00,290 --> 02:10:58,260
towards the east and he lived in Port

3063
02:11:03,709 --> 02:11:00,300
Albert so it's going towards Newport is

3064
02:11:05,629 --> 02:11:03,719
that the direction of north or from the

3065
02:11:07,030 --> 02:11:05,639
Northeast towards the South West so

3066
02:11:09,080 --> 02:11:07,040
Saturday

3067
02:11:11,350 --> 02:11:09,090
okay

3068
02:11:15,250 --> 02:11:11,360
[Music]

3069
02:11:18,350 --> 02:11:15,260
30. okay moving on next one

3070
02:11:20,149 --> 02:11:18,360
there's I mean MLG files again uh 6 30

3071
02:11:23,030 --> 02:11:20,159
P.M

3072
02:11:25,910 --> 02:11:23,040
um same time as the last one

3073
02:11:28,129 --> 02:11:25,920
an observer located on the highest point

3074
02:11:32,030 --> 02:11:28,139
of Swansea on a hill in inverted

3075
02:11:37,070 --> 02:11:34,370
presumably Town Hill

3076
02:11:38,990 --> 02:11:37,080
saw three white flashing lights moving

3077
02:11:41,030 --> 02:11:39,000
at a steady slow speed towards Swansea

3078
02:11:43,310 --> 02:11:41,040
Bay now I think that

3079
02:11:45,709 --> 02:11:43,320
that's referring to

3080
02:11:48,050 --> 02:11:45,719
the last uh witness I think because Mike

3081
02:11:50,990 --> 02:11:48,060
I'm just going to stop you I'm just I'm

3082
02:11:54,229 --> 02:11:51,000
I got to get my head around this every

3083
02:11:56,750 --> 02:11:54,239
one of these mod files you think people

3084
02:11:59,629 --> 02:11:56,760
phoned the police on the night and

3085
02:12:02,810 --> 02:11:59,639
reported they got inundated

3086
02:12:06,709 --> 02:12:04,970
yeah yeah well that's right Mike Trout

3087
02:12:08,629 --> 02:12:06,719
told us that because when he radioed the

3088
02:12:10,729 --> 02:12:08,639
station they were told that yeah there's

3089
02:12:13,490 --> 02:12:10,739
been loads of people phoning up they

3090
02:12:16,609 --> 02:12:13,500
must have been just uh to have a little

3091
02:12:19,070 --> 02:12:16,619
slot on yeah a local radio station just

3092
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:19,080
to say that yeah there's always been

3093
02:12:21,709 --> 02:12:20,400
seen can we pause a second I've just

3094
02:12:23,810 --> 02:12:21,719
been told I left the lights on in the

3095
02:12:26,629 --> 02:12:23,820
van it's all teamwork as far as I can

3096
02:12:28,250 --> 02:12:26,639
see yeah okay I'm back here we are

3097
02:12:31,850 --> 02:12:28,260
and then I've just so you know that

3098
02:12:33,890 --> 02:12:31,860
David Marler contacted me last night

3099
02:12:36,169 --> 02:12:33,900
um and you just he did an interview a

3100
02:12:39,169 --> 02:12:36,179
week ago and he with Martin Willis a

3101
02:12:41,270 --> 02:12:39,179
podcast and he said uh what great work

3102
02:12:43,669 --> 02:12:41,280
the guys in Wales were doing on

3103
02:12:45,950 --> 02:12:43,679
triangles and he's told me he wants a

3104
02:12:47,450 --> 02:12:45,960
copy of this interview and to keep him

3105
02:12:49,250 --> 02:12:47,460
informed of any other interviews that

3106
02:12:51,470 --> 02:12:49,260
Sue fondue because he's really

3107
02:12:53,330 --> 02:12:51,480
interested in what sufan is doing and

3108
02:12:56,649 --> 02:12:53,340
he's really impressed

3109
02:12:59,770 --> 02:12:56,659
so so you're aware

3110
02:13:02,450 --> 02:12:59,780
if we could uh do a podcast with him

3111
02:13:05,149 --> 02:13:02,460
yeah we can do that we can do that I can

3112
02:13:07,490 --> 02:13:05,159
arrange that yeah yeah

3113
02:13:09,589 --> 02:13:07,500
I'll be part of my chat group so he's

3114
02:13:11,149 --> 02:13:09,599
you know we can we can talk to him

3115
02:13:13,609 --> 02:13:11,159
anytime we want I'm sure he'd be more

3116
02:13:16,129 --> 02:13:13,619
than willing to to have a chat He's Able

3117
02:13:18,109 --> 02:13:16,139
you know he said to me before Oh you

3118
02:13:20,330 --> 02:13:18,119
know can we do can we do a Skype calling

3119
02:13:21,950 --> 02:13:20,340
things you know and I'd be that was

3120
02:13:24,350 --> 02:13:21,960
before I started getting into doing this

3121
02:13:27,950 --> 02:13:24,360
podcast so well you'll watch this and

3122
02:13:30,109 --> 02:13:27,960
you'll hear that we can keep this bit in

3123
02:13:31,910 --> 02:13:30,119
not not all the reports are up on the

3124
02:13:33,530 --> 02:13:31,920
website yet just I'm just reading some

3125
02:13:34,970 --> 02:13:33,540
of the ones we've got on the website and

3126
02:13:37,250 --> 02:13:34,980
um yeah I'm just trying to drag out a

3127
02:13:41,750 --> 02:13:37,260
few more for my ad in a minute

3128
02:13:43,790 --> 02:13:41,760
uh okay this this was my that was to

3129
02:13:46,729 --> 02:13:43,800
that this is where that one is

3130
02:13:48,490 --> 02:13:46,739
presumably yeah it doesn't give much

3131
02:13:51,589 --> 02:13:48,500
information

3132
02:13:54,890 --> 02:13:51,599
on a high point above on the hill you

3133
02:13:57,950 --> 02:13:54,900
know a heavy exact age piece of paper

3134
02:14:00,229 --> 02:13:57,960
oh this is this is June lovely June yeah

3135
02:14:04,250 --> 02:14:00,239
because this lady comes home meetings

3136
02:14:05,870 --> 02:14:04,260
every every um every month and uh when

3137
02:14:07,370 --> 02:14:05,880
she came to the first meeting I realized

3138
02:14:08,810 --> 02:14:07,380
who she was I couldn't believe her

3139
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:08,820
because I was trying to track her down

3140
02:14:15,950 --> 02:14:13,280
for a while James Thomas I'll see

3141
02:14:17,870 --> 02:14:15,960
a bottom of mine right she she worked at

3142
02:14:19,850 --> 02:14:17,880
the viscose plant which was a sponge

3143
02:14:23,689 --> 02:14:19,860
Factory in what is now the marina area

3144
02:14:27,229 --> 02:14:23,699
in Swansea okay where it's now where a

3145
02:14:29,030 --> 02:14:27,239
load of flats to be made so in the docks

3146
02:14:31,069 --> 02:14:29,040
the Western docks you know sort of near

3147
02:14:33,770 --> 02:14:31,079
the city center yeah she was just

3148
02:14:35,930 --> 02:14:33,780
leaving work and she saw

3149
02:14:38,689 --> 02:14:35,940
In The Evening Post at the time which

3150
02:14:42,890 --> 02:14:38,699
she actually did a drawing of what she

3151
02:14:44,689 --> 02:14:42,900
saw they reported two triangles that she

3152
02:14:47,149 --> 02:14:44,699
saw but she actually told us it was

3153
02:14:49,310 --> 02:14:47,159
actually three triangles but one of them

3154
02:14:51,109 --> 02:14:49,320
because of the

3155
02:14:54,350 --> 02:14:51,119
proximity of the buildings of the

3156
02:14:56,930 --> 02:14:54,360
factory one of them sort of was she saw

3157
02:14:59,030 --> 02:14:56,940
it as it moved behind the building you

3158
02:15:02,270 --> 02:14:59,040
know so

3159
02:15:04,189 --> 02:15:02,280
so she's she saw three anyway um

3160
02:15:06,050 --> 02:15:04,199
two of which she did drawings for that

3161
02:15:07,430 --> 02:15:06,060
she saw clearly that she saw one just

3162
02:15:09,709 --> 02:15:07,440
disappear behind the building as they

3163
02:15:11,770 --> 02:15:09,719
were moving another triangle shape or

3164
02:15:13,970 --> 02:15:11,780
are they like Boomerang shaped you know

3165
02:15:17,270 --> 02:15:13,980
you know what I'm thinking here I saw

3166
02:15:19,490 --> 02:15:17,280
three and My Boomerang shapes exactly we

3167
02:15:21,050 --> 02:15:19,500
put the drawing up that she that she

3168
02:15:24,050 --> 02:15:21,060
Drew they were

3169
02:15:26,270 --> 02:15:24,060
classic triangles with white lights in

3170
02:15:29,990 --> 02:15:26,280
each corner and red lights in the center

3171
02:15:32,089 --> 02:15:30,000
anyway tr3 Beach types yeah yeah she

3172
02:15:33,709 --> 02:15:32,099
said she saw um

3173
02:15:36,169 --> 02:15:33,719
I'll read out what was in the evening

3174
02:15:38,689 --> 02:15:36,179
post at the time okay yeah James called

3175
02:15:40,850 --> 02:15:38,699
us a pedroeth Road bonamine Swansea had

3176
02:15:43,430 --> 02:15:40,860
just finished work as a cleaner at the

3177
02:15:46,189 --> 02:15:43,440
viscose plant at South dock when she saw

3178
02:15:47,930 --> 02:15:46,199
the mystery objects Mrs Thomas said

3179
02:15:50,149 --> 02:15:47,940
today she discounted theories put

3180
02:15:51,470 --> 02:15:50,159
forward by Swansea coast guards that the

3181
02:15:54,109 --> 02:15:51,480
lights she saw in the sky were

3182
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:54,119
meteorites burning up as they entered

3183
02:15:58,430 --> 02:15:55,679
the Earth's atmosphere

3184
02:16:01,430 --> 02:15:58,440
what I saw was two objects very big

3185
02:16:04,010 --> 02:16:01,440
objects moving across the sky slowly and

3186
02:16:06,169 --> 02:16:04,020
without any noise she said call them

3187
02:16:08,629 --> 02:16:06,179
flying saucers if you will but they were

3188
02:16:10,370 --> 02:16:08,639
definitely not planes or meteorites okay

3189
02:16:12,830 --> 02:16:10,380
that was an evening post on the 21st of

3190
02:16:15,109 --> 02:16:12,840
January two nights later

3191
02:16:17,390 --> 02:16:15,119
and I I wrote this June Thomas is now

3192
02:16:18,649 --> 02:16:17,400
one of souffon's regular attendees at

3193
02:16:20,990 --> 02:16:18,659
meetings and has given us more

3194
02:16:23,089 --> 02:16:21,000
information regarding his cycling she

3195
02:16:24,890 --> 02:16:23,099
actually saw three triangles she just

3196
02:16:27,169 --> 02:16:24,900
caught a glimpse of the leading one in

3197
02:16:28,430 --> 02:16:27,179
the formation as it was obscured by a

3198
02:16:30,109 --> 02:16:28,440
factory building

3199
02:16:32,330 --> 02:16:30,119
because she managed to get a good look

3200
02:16:33,950 --> 02:16:32,340
at the other two it was these she did

3201
02:16:34,969 --> 02:16:33,960
drawings of which appeared in the

3202
02:16:36,889 --> 02:16:34,979
newspaper

3203
02:16:40,370 --> 02:16:36,899
the craft rubbed over Swansea Bay

3204
02:16:42,469 --> 02:16:40,380
heading Southeast and she saw them turn

3205
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:42,479
to a more easterly course in the

3206
02:16:47,089 --> 02:16:44,160
direction of portal but

3207
02:16:49,429 --> 02:16:47,099
moving her right to left until day two

3208
02:16:52,009 --> 02:16:49,439
like the first one was obscured by the

3209
02:16:54,410 --> 02:16:52,019
viscose buildings okay this this is the

3210
02:16:57,169 --> 02:16:54,420
drawing she that she that was published

3211
02:17:01,310 --> 02:16:59,810
okay you see that what year was that

3212
02:17:04,549 --> 02:17:01,320
published

3213
02:17:07,190 --> 02:17:04,559
that was two nights after

3214
02:17:10,190 --> 02:17:07,200
so this is in 1983 this got published in

3215
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:10,200
the evening post 21st

3216
02:17:15,169 --> 02:17:13,439
that is shocking isn't it and we're all

3217
02:17:17,509 --> 02:17:15,179
the all the pictures we saw the Belgium

3218
02:17:21,110 --> 02:17:17,519
wave except with that going on the same

3219
02:17:26,570 --> 02:17:23,929
89 that was wow which is quite

3220
02:17:27,770 --> 02:17:26,580
interesting 91 91 it's quite interesting

3221
02:17:32,030 --> 02:17:27,780
because

3222
02:17:35,389 --> 02:17:32,040
we had a wave of triangles at 83 there

3223
02:17:37,549 --> 02:17:35,399
was another one in 86 and that that we

3224
02:17:40,429 --> 02:17:37,559
had a few reports here as well as that

3225
02:17:43,370 --> 02:17:40,439
was in England 17th of March so yes and

3226
02:17:45,889 --> 02:17:43,380
then that was with England's up and then

3227
02:17:50,450 --> 02:17:45,899
you got the Belgium wave then which is

3228
02:17:53,209 --> 02:17:50,460
in 1991 so you've got three waves with

3229
02:17:55,549 --> 02:17:53,219
David Bowie Texas three waves and they

3230
02:17:58,310 --> 02:17:55,559
only go as far from Wales

3231
02:18:00,410 --> 02:17:58,320
across the parts of

3232
02:18:02,810 --> 02:18:00,420
um Wales of Britain and then all to

3233
02:18:05,929 --> 02:18:02,820
France or Belgium and there's been no

3234
02:18:08,150 --> 02:18:05,939
other waves since yeah there was the

3235
02:18:10,250 --> 02:18:08,160
1983 one that we're talking about

3236
02:18:14,690 --> 02:18:10,260
tonight there was another one in March

3237
02:18:15,730 --> 02:18:14,700
17th of March 1986. on the they were

3238
02:18:17,990 --> 02:18:15,740
both

3239
02:18:20,810 --> 02:18:18,000
and they tried to they tried to explain

3240
02:18:24,230 --> 02:18:20,820
both of them away as Vulcan bomb has

3241
02:18:25,610 --> 02:18:24,240
been refueled and altitude

3242
02:18:28,429 --> 02:18:25,620
that's why people saw these two

3243
02:18:30,290 --> 02:18:28,439
triangular objects in close proximity

3244
02:18:31,969 --> 02:18:30,300
but

3245
02:18:33,410 --> 02:18:31,979
it obviously weren't [\h__\h] bombers

3246
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:33,420
because they were very very some of them

3247
02:18:36,950 --> 02:18:35,280
were very very low altitude with no

3248
02:18:40,009 --> 02:18:36,960
sound whatsoever

3249
02:18:42,969 --> 02:18:40,019
and and they were massively noisy Vulcan

3250
02:18:48,290 --> 02:18:46,129
huge noise came from them yeah the new

3251
02:18:50,209 --> 02:18:48,300
Jets I know that could have it was a

3252
02:18:53,570 --> 02:18:50,219
Harrier jump jet to these that's right

3253
02:18:57,349 --> 02:18:53,580
they make out of a lot of noise but but

3254
02:19:00,469 --> 02:18:57,359
um remember we we give a interview on a

3255
02:19:03,709 --> 02:19:00,479
BBC Radio program um called the uh the

3256
02:19:06,770 --> 02:19:03,719
unexplainers yes yeah and typical BBC

3257
02:19:09,230 --> 02:19:06,780
all media really they tried to give the

3258
02:19:10,849 --> 02:19:09,240
opposite sides of the argument by

3259
02:19:12,110 --> 02:19:10,859
getting some inverted column as an

3260
02:19:13,849 --> 02:19:12,120
expert

3261
02:19:16,429 --> 02:19:13,859
and the the other

3262
02:19:20,690 --> 02:19:16,439
they had

3263
02:19:24,830 --> 02:19:20,700
engineer said uh oh yeah at that time

3264
02:19:26,110 --> 02:19:24,840
1983 the RAF would have experimenting

3265
02:19:29,810 --> 02:19:26,120
with um

3266
02:19:32,209 --> 02:19:29,820
airships blips and what are those flying

3267
02:19:33,830 --> 02:19:32,219
over with one light at the front and two

3268
02:19:35,889 --> 02:19:33,840
at the Backwoods gave the impression of

3269
02:19:37,849 --> 02:19:35,899
it being triangular

3270
02:19:41,330 --> 02:19:37,859
oh good

3271
02:19:44,709 --> 02:19:41,340
conveniently this is person related to

3272
02:19:50,389 --> 02:19:47,209
conveniently obviously hadn't read all

3273
02:19:51,710 --> 02:19:50,399
the books and the fact that the

3274
02:19:53,210 --> 02:19:51,720
witnesses saying there was no noise

3275
02:19:55,070 --> 02:19:53,220
whatsoever was

3276
02:19:56,570 --> 02:19:55,080
was pretty important because a blimp

3277
02:19:59,469 --> 02:19:56,580
would give make noise because they got

3278
02:20:21,490 --> 02:19:59,479
petrol engines on them yeah yeah

3279
02:20:26,150 --> 02:20:24,290
this lady that Drew the three

3280
02:20:35,530 --> 02:20:26,160
um that looked like the tr3 bees did

3281
02:20:40,210 --> 02:20:38,270
we're not talking football field size

3282
02:20:43,130 --> 02:20:40,220
like other Witnesses

3283
02:20:48,170 --> 02:20:43,140
she said uh

3284
02:20:49,429 --> 02:20:48,180
uh she saw mystery objects uh discounted

3285
02:20:51,650 --> 02:20:49,439
theories before that they were

3286
02:20:55,190 --> 02:20:51,660
meteorites uh what I saw were two

3287
02:20:57,050 --> 02:20:55,200
objects very big objects she says moving

3288
02:20:58,309 --> 02:20:57,060
across the sky slowly and without any

3289
02:21:00,950 --> 02:20:58,319
noise okay

3290
02:21:02,450 --> 02:21:00,960
well and obviously she did the drawings

3291
02:21:04,190 --> 02:21:02,460
of them so she must have seen them in

3292
02:21:05,809 --> 02:21:04,200
pretty good detail to

3293
02:21:08,090 --> 02:21:05,819
to make the drawings

3294
02:21:09,889 --> 02:21:08,100
um yeah but which she sent into the

3295
02:21:11,510 --> 02:21:09,899
Evening Post

3296
02:21:15,349 --> 02:21:11,520
what you did and they're almost

3297
02:21:17,570 --> 02:21:15,359
identical to every tr3b type picture

3298
02:21:19,610 --> 02:21:17,580
I've ever seen I mean sometimes they've

3299
02:21:23,090 --> 02:21:19,620
got one big light in the middle

3300
02:21:25,570 --> 02:21:23,100
and this is 1983. this is 1983. I mean

3301
02:21:27,170 --> 02:21:25,580
my God yeah

3302
02:21:29,809 --> 02:21:27,180
all right

3303
02:21:32,090 --> 02:21:29,819
Natalie also said she saw the big like

3304
02:21:36,830 --> 02:21:32,100
opaque likes a big circular thing in the

3305
02:21:40,130 --> 02:21:38,690
and you haven't got that big round

3306
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:40,140
figure today because you've got these

3307
02:21:45,349 --> 02:21:43,439
two or three other smaller ones on uh on

3308
02:21:46,910 --> 02:21:45,359
the inside of it yeah

3309
02:21:49,070 --> 02:21:46,920
if you look at the map now you'll see

3310
02:21:50,450 --> 02:21:49,080
her location now so maybe she was she

3311
02:21:52,670 --> 02:21:50,460
was looking at the front of one of them

3312
02:21:54,650 --> 02:21:52,680
is that what you're thinking

3313
02:21:56,570 --> 02:21:54,660
they've got an appendage sticking down

3314
02:21:58,730 --> 02:21:56,580
if she was thinking it was like a

3315
02:22:00,110 --> 02:21:58,740
Stadium of Light at the you know maybe

3316
02:22:05,410 --> 02:22:00,120
it was the front of the craft she would

3317
02:22:10,790 --> 02:22:07,670
and the building would have been

3318
02:22:11,809 --> 02:22:10,800
directly in front of her so she she said

3319
02:22:13,429 --> 02:22:11,819
they were not over the base so they

3320
02:22:15,950 --> 02:22:13,439
would have been a low altitude I think

3321
02:22:18,349 --> 02:22:15,960
because if they were very very high

3322
02:22:20,150 --> 02:22:18,359
the building wouldn't obscure them that

3323
02:22:23,450 --> 02:22:20,160
easily would they but if they don't low

3324
02:22:26,030 --> 02:22:23,460
we've got quite a few reports of of them

3325
02:22:29,030 --> 02:22:26,040
going over Swansea Bay you know the one

3326
02:22:30,590 --> 02:22:29,040
in Bishops then you know he saw it saw

3327
02:22:32,750 --> 02:22:30,600
it going over it was heading towards the

3328
02:22:34,910 --> 02:22:32,760
soldier Bay Area yeah and and that

3329
02:22:37,790 --> 02:22:34,920
caused uh I think we talked about that

3330
02:22:39,889 --> 02:22:37,800
last time yeah they caused a blackout uh

3331
02:22:42,110 --> 02:22:39,899
power failure in the area where he lived

3332
02:22:44,210 --> 02:22:42,120
in bishopston which is um

3333
02:22:45,770 --> 02:22:44,220
this area here

3334
02:22:48,349 --> 02:22:45,780
now he saw the

3335
02:22:51,530 --> 02:22:48,359
three Bluey white lights heading off

3336
02:22:54,110 --> 02:22:51,540
that direction okay yeah now I wanted to

3337
02:22:55,490 --> 02:22:54,120
talk of last time about this interesting

3338
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:55,500
point about this power

3339
02:23:01,670 --> 02:22:58,080
power outage because

3340
02:23:04,429 --> 02:23:01,680
we interviewed one guy uh who said that

3341
02:23:05,929 --> 02:23:04,439
he worked in the Alcoa Factory which is

3342
02:23:08,630 --> 02:23:05,939
here

3343
02:23:12,050 --> 02:23:08,640
in one our life which is

3344
02:23:14,450 --> 02:23:12,060
Northwest of the city and he said okay

3345
02:23:16,130 --> 02:23:14,460
even all night uh he's on days he said

3346
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:16,140
when he went to work the following

3347
02:23:19,670 --> 02:23:17,040
morning

3348
02:23:22,309 --> 02:23:19,680
all his workmates who wrote mates who

3349
02:23:24,950 --> 02:23:22,319
were on night shift said that

3350
02:23:26,450 --> 02:23:24,960
what about tea time or 6 p.m something

3351
02:23:28,070 --> 02:23:26,460
like that

3352
02:23:29,570 --> 02:23:28,080
um all the lights went off in the uh

3353
02:23:31,670 --> 02:23:29,580
Factory but

3354
02:23:33,110 --> 02:23:31,680
they didn't off they didn't all go off

3355
02:23:35,389 --> 02:23:33,120
at the same time they didn't go off

3356
02:23:37,910 --> 02:23:35,399
instantly yeah and I could knock on

3357
02:23:41,050 --> 02:23:37,920
effect they went off from the north end

3358
02:23:43,790 --> 02:23:41,060
of the building to the south in stages

3359
02:23:46,429 --> 02:23:43,800
to me suggested something was flying

3360
02:23:48,969 --> 02:23:46,439
over slowly I'd knock it about you know

3361
02:23:52,250 --> 02:23:48,979
the electric off as it went over there

3362
02:23:54,469 --> 02:23:52,260
once it had gone over it's sort of like

3363
02:24:06,429 --> 02:23:54,479
it came on

3364
02:24:13,849 --> 02:24:10,429
I am blown away by this case

3365
02:24:15,290 --> 02:24:13,859
yeah this is um Rita Bradley yeah I mean

3366
02:24:16,550 --> 02:24:15,300
trying to get hold of her I went to her

3367
02:24:18,590 --> 02:24:16,560
house knocked the door and they said no

3368
02:24:20,030 --> 02:24:18,600
she don't live here but I've spoke to

3369
02:24:21,170 --> 02:24:20,040
her daughter and she does live there

3370
02:24:22,969 --> 02:24:21,180
anyway

3371
02:24:25,730 --> 02:24:22,979
um

3372
02:24:27,410 --> 02:24:25,740
Rita Bradley this is this is a reference

3373
02:24:30,349 --> 02:24:27,420
from the Evening Post at the time on the

3374
02:24:32,150 --> 02:24:30,359
20th and the 21st of January says Rita

3375
02:24:34,309 --> 02:24:32,160
Bradley of Finsbury Terrace Bryn Mill

3376
02:24:36,650 --> 02:24:34,319
which is not that far from the city

3377
02:24:38,750 --> 02:24:36,660
center the white on to the West

3378
02:24:40,730 --> 02:24:38,760
yeah he said I saw two triangular

3379
02:24:43,130 --> 02:24:40,740
objects close together with lots of

3380
02:24:45,469 --> 02:24:43,140
white lights towards town hill I can

3381
02:24:49,969 --> 02:24:45,479
hardly believe it

3382
02:24:51,770 --> 02:24:49,979
Carol batka of Iran dunvent no it was

3383
02:24:53,929 --> 02:24:51,780
her husband who worked at the Alcoa

3384
02:24:56,389 --> 02:24:53,939
plant who told us about the lights going

3385
02:24:59,090 --> 02:24:56,399
off anyway she said I saw an object

3386
02:25:01,429 --> 02:24:59,100
bigger than a jumbo jet over Kelly but

3387
02:25:04,070 --> 02:25:01,439
moving too slowly to be an aircraft into

3388
02:25:06,230 --> 02:25:04,080
flashing lights at the front and back

3389
02:25:07,730 --> 02:25:06,240
John Owens of Saint Catherine's Road

3390
02:25:09,889 --> 02:25:07,740
baglin

3391
02:25:12,830 --> 02:25:09,899
saw the lights in the sky above porth

3392
02:25:15,410 --> 02:25:12,840
coal he said what I saw was about 600

3393
02:25:18,830 --> 02:25:15,420
feet from the ground huge in size and

3394
02:25:20,809 --> 02:25:18,840
did not have any engine noise not like

3395
02:25:23,570 --> 02:25:20,819
any civil or military aircraft I know

3396
02:25:25,910 --> 02:25:23,580
besides it was only moving at about 30

3397
02:25:27,170 --> 02:25:25,920
miles per hour far too slow for an

3398
02:25:29,929 --> 02:25:27,180
aircraft

3399
02:25:31,670 --> 02:25:29,939
I cannot really say what it was it was

3400
02:25:35,650 --> 02:25:31,680
certainly phenomenal

3401
02:25:40,790 --> 02:25:38,570
I just made this point about a lot of

3402
02:25:42,050 --> 02:25:40,800
people say that they see lights in the

3403
02:25:43,309 --> 02:25:42,060
sky and then you get the debunkers

3404
02:25:45,110 --> 02:25:43,319
coming on when they're watching the

3405
02:25:46,610 --> 02:25:45,120
video and saying those are aircraft

3406
02:25:48,230 --> 02:25:46,620
lights you can tell they're aircraft

3407
02:25:49,730 --> 02:25:48,240
lights

3408
02:25:51,770 --> 02:25:49,740
um is because that you know they've got

3409
02:25:53,510 --> 02:25:51,780
these the lights that come on at the

3410
02:25:54,770 --> 02:25:53,520
same time each time and you know their

3411
02:25:57,170 --> 02:25:54,780
aircraft

3412
02:25:59,270 --> 02:25:57,180
I've seen these plenty of times and in

3413
02:26:00,950 --> 02:25:59,280
fact I filmed them about a week or so

3414
02:26:03,530 --> 02:26:00,960
ago and I put a video up and I had to

3415
02:26:05,929 --> 02:26:03,540
debunkers then saying they got aircraft

3416
02:26:09,410 --> 02:26:05,939
lights and the aircraft lights come on I

3417
02:26:11,389 --> 02:26:09,420
I watched this for over 15 minutes and

3418
02:26:13,849 --> 02:26:11,399
filmed it for 15 minutes they were only

3419
02:26:16,130 --> 02:26:13,859
just over here and it took 15 minutes to

3420
02:26:19,070 --> 02:26:16,140
get over my house I watched the next day

3421
02:26:22,190 --> 02:26:19,080
and I filmed um helicopters small planes

3422
02:26:24,889 --> 02:26:22,200
and jump jumbo Jets going over the the

3423
02:26:26,750 --> 02:26:24,899
longest they took was two minutes to

3424
02:26:28,490 --> 02:26:26,760
cover the same distance

3425
02:26:29,990 --> 02:26:28,500
you know this this when they've got

3426
02:26:31,849 --> 02:26:30,000
these flashing lights it doesn't mean

3427
02:26:34,130 --> 02:26:31,859
they add commercial aircraft or

3428
02:26:35,750 --> 02:26:34,140
helicopters or because these things

3429
02:26:38,210 --> 02:26:35,760
mimic

3430
02:26:40,490 --> 02:26:38,220
what we've got in the sky they hide

3431
02:26:43,370 --> 02:26:40,500
themselves by making us think that they

3432
02:26:44,990 --> 02:26:43,380
are aircraft or sometimes as John Owen

3433
02:26:47,330 --> 02:26:45,000
said that they weren't aircrafters they

3434
02:26:49,490 --> 02:26:47,340
obviously yeah exactly go back to John

3435
02:26:51,170 --> 02:26:49,500
Owens who had the site in from Portugal

3436
02:26:52,550 --> 02:26:51,180
I'll talk about him in a minute but the

3437
02:26:55,610 --> 02:26:52,560
next one referred to in this evening

3438
02:26:57,710 --> 02:26:55,620
Post article at the time says Peter

3439
02:26:59,870 --> 02:26:57,720
trotman of brinkerden Road Newton

3440
02:27:01,370 --> 02:26:59,880
mumbles said he was astonished to hear

3441
02:27:04,010 --> 02:27:01,380
the claim that the sighting was

3442
02:27:07,610 --> 02:27:04,020
meteorites and Mr Kenneth needles of

3443
02:27:10,730 --> 02:27:07,620
Verdi Road Port Albert said he was also

3444
02:27:13,490 --> 02:27:10,740
sure the UFOs were objects of some kind

3445
02:27:16,070 --> 02:27:13,500
Mr needles who was in the RAF during the

3446
02:27:18,530 --> 02:27:16,080
war said to be honest I have no idea

3447
02:27:21,170 --> 02:27:18,540
what the UFOs were but they can't have

3448
02:27:23,690 --> 02:27:21,180
been aircraft like he's xraf right now

3449
02:27:26,090 --> 02:27:23,700
there's John Owens uh

3450
02:27:27,410 --> 02:27:26,100
Steve rang jono ends up

3451
02:27:30,550 --> 02:27:27,420
we managed to get his number from

3452
02:27:37,730 --> 02:27:34,670
no no we contacted him right um I think

3453
02:27:39,889 --> 02:27:37,740
I went I went on I managed to get his

3454
02:27:41,809 --> 02:27:39,899
phone number from somewhere in the

3455
02:27:44,030 --> 02:27:41,819
library of cement

3456
02:27:44,750 --> 02:27:44,040
um so Steve rung him up

3457
02:27:46,670 --> 02:27:44,760
um

3458
02:27:47,750 --> 02:27:46,680
I was with Steve when he rang him and I

3459
02:27:49,130 --> 02:27:47,760
made notes

3460
02:27:51,469 --> 02:27:49,140
this John Owens didn't want to be

3461
02:27:53,510 --> 02:27:51,479
interviewed on camera but he he told us

3462
02:27:56,510 --> 02:27:53,520
the full story which I wrote I written

3463
02:28:00,410 --> 02:27:56,520
it all up he was at uh fourth fourth

3464
02:28:02,929 --> 02:28:00,420
call Rugby field the Rugby Club he'd

3465
02:28:04,849 --> 02:28:02,939
gone there early to see a game with his

3466
02:28:07,610 --> 02:28:04,859
son I believe he'd be standing there

3467
02:28:09,349 --> 02:28:07,620
when this object went over the

3468
02:28:12,590 --> 02:28:09,359
went over the

3469
02:28:14,809 --> 02:28:12,600
Rugby field at about 600 foots up and he

3470
02:28:17,150 --> 02:28:14,819
says that it was huge in size did not

3471
02:28:19,070 --> 02:28:17,160
have any any engine noise and not like

3472
02:28:20,990 --> 02:28:19,080
any civil or military military aircraft

3473
02:28:24,110 --> 02:28:21,000
I know okay

3474
02:28:27,710 --> 02:28:24,120
Peter trotman one the one from Newton in

3475
02:28:28,550 --> 02:28:27,720
mumbles uh Steve managed to track him

3476
02:28:30,950 --> 02:28:28,560
down

3477
02:28:35,450 --> 02:28:30,960
he's a local councilor Peter truck on

3478
02:28:38,230 --> 02:28:35,460
this and uh Steve robbed up a report uh

3479
02:28:40,849 --> 02:28:38,240
a statement from his

3480
02:28:43,130 --> 02:28:40,859
apparently Peter trotman was in

3481
02:28:45,770 --> 02:28:43,140
at home in the garden in Newtown Newton

3482
02:28:47,630 --> 02:28:45,780
mumbles his wife was with him as well so

3483
02:28:50,630 --> 02:28:47,640
there's two of them saw it

3484
02:28:53,150 --> 02:28:50,640
and uh

3485
02:28:55,250 --> 02:28:53,160
yeah interesting thing about the Kenneth

3486
02:28:56,990 --> 02:28:55,260
needles of Verdi Road portal but he said

3487
02:28:59,570 --> 02:28:57,000
he was X RAF

3488
02:29:00,830 --> 02:28:59,580
he's probably no longer with us I think

3489
02:29:02,330 --> 02:29:00,840
Steve might have tried to find him

3490
02:29:04,670 --> 02:29:02,340
without success he's probably passed

3491
02:29:06,290 --> 02:29:04,680
away he was out in the RAF during the

3492
02:29:12,349 --> 02:29:06,300
war so he

3493
02:29:16,610 --> 02:29:14,809
yeah 83 years by now

3494
02:29:20,389 --> 02:29:16,620
yeah he would have been in his 60s I

3495
02:29:24,889 --> 02:29:22,130
I don't know what a credible witness

3496
02:29:27,230 --> 02:29:24,899
because he's RAF and he's I have no idea

3497
02:29:29,990 --> 02:29:27,240
of those were but they can't have been

3498
02:29:32,990 --> 02:29:30,000
aircraft you know so and this is a good

3499
02:29:36,110 --> 02:29:33,000
reference this is the area again all

3500
02:29:37,910 --> 02:29:36,120
right quite close to uh yeah that's

3501
02:29:42,170 --> 02:29:37,920
where Rita Bradley was

3502
02:29:44,750 --> 02:29:42,180
well don't forget June June I saw hers

3503
02:29:47,330 --> 02:29:44,760
was just over here as well but Rita

3504
02:29:50,450 --> 02:29:47,340
Bradley said she saw us Overtown Hill ah

3505
02:29:51,830 --> 02:29:50,460
right yeah it was over here there yeah

3506
02:29:53,450 --> 02:29:51,840
there that area

3507
02:29:55,790 --> 02:29:53,460
so she was looking that way but maybe

3508
02:29:57,410 --> 02:29:55,800
they moved from there down down to the

3509
02:29:58,969 --> 02:29:57,420
right you see you've got you've got the

3510
02:30:01,550 --> 02:29:58,979
Red Dot there in the middle and there's

3511
02:30:03,710 --> 02:30:01,560
like a triangle around it that seems to

3512
02:30:06,490 --> 02:30:03,720
be a pretty intense area of all the all

3513
02:30:09,770 --> 02:30:06,500
the sightings

3514
02:30:11,809 --> 02:30:09,780
whereas there's a lot of people that are

3515
02:30:13,670 --> 02:30:11,819
there to see it as well

3516
02:30:15,050 --> 02:30:13,680
yeah yeah statistically it would have

3517
02:30:16,370 --> 02:30:15,060
been seen by more people there's more

3518
02:30:17,630 --> 02:30:16,380
people live in there but what is that

3519
02:30:19,730 --> 02:30:17,640
what sort of distance are we talking

3520
02:30:21,950 --> 02:30:19,740
about with that triangle size there are

3521
02:30:23,690 --> 02:30:21,960
we talking like a mile by a mile by a

3522
02:30:25,910 --> 02:30:23,700
mile what what is what sort of distance

3523
02:30:27,830 --> 02:30:25,920
sorry what do you mean what sort of

3524
02:30:29,389 --> 02:30:27,840
distances you see the Red Dot and you've

3525
02:30:33,910 --> 02:30:29,399
got like a triangle sheet with roads

3526
02:30:40,929 --> 02:30:36,370
yeah yeah

3527
02:30:44,570 --> 02:30:40,939
about a mile from also in Natalie's

3528
02:30:47,330 --> 02:30:44,580
Barclays as well as the crow flies you

3529
02:30:50,110 --> 02:30:47,340
know yeah yeah uh there's quite a few

3530
02:30:52,309 --> 02:30:50,120
Cedar Watkins

3531
02:30:54,230 --> 02:30:52,319
Uptown now right the next reference

3532
02:30:56,150 --> 02:30:54,240
we've got is uh

3533
02:30:57,469 --> 02:30:56,160
this is from our files

3534
02:30:59,750 --> 02:30:57,479
um

3535
02:31:01,910 --> 02:30:59,760
yeah this is the husband of somebody

3536
02:31:05,150 --> 02:31:01,920
comes to our meetings regularly

3537
02:31:06,950 --> 02:31:05,160
and he was walking his dog which is a

3538
02:31:09,710 --> 02:31:06,960
fair way up the valley

3539
02:31:12,770 --> 02:31:09,720
from the city center

3540
02:31:15,530 --> 02:31:12,780
and uh he looked up into the clear sky

3541
02:31:17,270 --> 02:31:15,540
to see three lights one red and the

3542
02:31:20,030 --> 02:31:17,280
other two green

3543
02:31:21,290 --> 02:31:20,040
arranged in a triangle with a dark space

3544
02:31:23,630 --> 02:31:21,300
between them

3545
02:31:25,429 --> 02:31:23,640
over the mons nickel Works which is a

3546
02:31:26,929 --> 02:31:25,439
big Factory which is still there now in

3547
02:31:29,090 --> 02:31:26,939
the center of claddock

3548
02:31:32,030 --> 02:31:29,100
he did not see a body to it but could

3549
02:31:34,670 --> 02:31:32,040
see no stars in the space either so

3550
02:31:37,130 --> 02:31:34,680
that's refers to they were like three

3551
02:31:38,030 --> 02:31:37,140
objects with a light on with a space in

3552
02:31:40,309 --> 02:31:38,040
between

3553
02:31:42,889 --> 02:31:40,319
so there's three lights on the same

3554
02:31:45,230 --> 02:31:42,899
object and they blocked out the Stars

3555
02:31:47,090 --> 02:31:45,240
okay back that's been referred to a few

3556
02:31:50,030 --> 02:31:47,100
times isn't it yeah yeah it seemed to be

3557
02:31:52,730 --> 02:31:50,040
motionless but was drifting slowly

3558
02:31:54,889 --> 02:31:52,740
towards Morriston and Southwest the only

3559
02:31:56,809 --> 02:31:54,899
time we got for that is early evening so

3560
02:31:58,670 --> 02:31:56,819
your guess is as good as mine but

3561
02:32:01,190 --> 02:31:58,680
there's another reference to somebody on

3562
02:32:04,070 --> 02:32:01,200
that night who saw

3563
02:32:06,710 --> 02:32:04,080
and I'll well one object he said yeah

3564
02:32:08,809 --> 02:32:06,720
and that's that's the area that Asia is

3565
02:32:12,130 --> 02:32:08,819
no oh no it's not I've already got that

3566
02:32:16,910 --> 02:32:14,330
that's that's uh yeah it's not the

3567
02:32:19,370 --> 02:32:16,920
Clutter you no probably no it is with

3568
02:32:21,650 --> 02:32:19,380
demand yeah I know all right I know the

3569
02:32:22,969 --> 02:32:21,660
Pokemon yeah all right there's the

3570
02:32:25,010 --> 02:32:22,979
clinic wheel in the wrong there on this

3571
02:32:26,830 --> 02:32:25,020
and there's a clinic over by abergavenny

3572
02:32:29,389 --> 02:32:26,840
isn't that so um yeah

3573
02:32:31,790 --> 02:32:29,399
we referred to as this area here right

3574
02:32:34,190 --> 02:32:31,800
to the right of the valley

3575
02:32:37,670 --> 02:32:34,200
that's fantastic those yeah that's me

3576
02:32:40,790 --> 02:32:37,680
putting the wrong wedding

3577
02:32:44,270 --> 02:32:40,800
uh oh I need to sort that out anyway it

3578
02:32:50,630 --> 02:32:46,370
there's a reference for that is it uh

3579
02:33:07,670 --> 02:32:52,370
yeah that's new you Dave isn't it

3580
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:10,309
um

3581
02:33:14,330 --> 02:33:12,830
I was visiting my girlfriend now wife I

3582
02:33:16,070 --> 02:33:14,340
was just getting out my car when it

3583
02:33:18,290 --> 02:33:16,080
appeared over the houses quite low and

3584
02:33:20,270 --> 02:33:18,300
perfectly silent it must have been about

3585
02:33:22,969 --> 02:33:20,280
the size of a football pitch as someone

3586
02:33:24,770 --> 02:33:22,979
else said as someone else said if not

3587
02:33:25,969 --> 02:33:24,780
they get with dim lights underneath it

3588
02:33:27,590 --> 02:33:25,979
underneath

3589
02:33:29,750 --> 02:33:27,600
I didn't actually see the back end

3590
02:33:32,570 --> 02:33:29,760
because the acceleration on it was so

3591
02:33:35,150 --> 02:33:32,580
fast and again silent I don't think

3592
02:33:37,070 --> 02:33:35,160
anything we have can accelerate that

3593
02:33:39,290 --> 02:33:37,080
quickly and with no noise from a

3594
02:33:41,270 --> 02:33:39,300
standing start one minute it was there

3595
02:33:43,250 --> 02:33:41,280
next it was gone

3596
02:33:45,170 --> 02:33:43,260
anyway if something's come out of your

3597
02:33:47,150 --> 02:33:45,180
article my kids always thought I was

3598
02:33:49,969 --> 02:33:47,160
winding them up they don't

3599
02:33:53,030 --> 02:33:49,979
know cheers Simon did you say this shape

3600
02:33:54,110 --> 02:33:53,040
then or you said did he say the shape as

3601
02:33:56,929 --> 02:33:54,120
well

3602
02:34:00,410 --> 02:33:56,939
no just a big uh difficult to read that

3603
02:34:03,770 --> 02:34:02,150
I remember his that it was early evening

3604
02:34:06,290 --> 02:34:03,780
and it was dark

3605
02:34:08,330 --> 02:34:06,300
the dress was it came from Forest Park

3606
02:34:10,610 --> 02:34:08,340
Direction Over the houses at probably

3607
02:34:13,910 --> 02:34:10,620
about probably about 10 miles per hour

3608
02:34:16,309 --> 02:34:13,920
it appeared speedboat [\h__\h] but first and

3609
02:34:18,590 --> 02:34:16,319
just kept getting wider it must have

3610
02:34:20,929 --> 02:34:18,600
been about the height of three houses

3611
02:34:23,809 --> 02:34:20,939
couldn't tell how long it was as never

3612
02:34:25,250 --> 02:34:23,819
saw the rear it accelerated so fast in

3613
02:34:28,130 --> 02:34:25,260
the direction of roughly Morrison

3614
02:34:29,030 --> 02:34:28,140
hospital so we've got a football-sized

3615
02:34:31,370 --> 02:34:29,040
field

3616
02:34:35,450 --> 02:34:31,380
size and it was the height of three

3617
02:34:36,770 --> 02:34:35,460
houses thickness yeah and he said there

3618
02:34:38,570 --> 02:34:36,780
was someone else on the street a man

3619
02:34:40,370 --> 02:34:38,580
with a baby but he just grabbed the

3620
02:34:43,550 --> 02:34:40,380
child and ran into the house

3621
02:34:45,590 --> 02:34:43,560
one of the hoses yeah I I spoke to this

3622
02:34:47,210 --> 02:34:45,600
Simon um

3623
02:34:50,210 --> 02:34:47,220
he said he

3624
02:34:51,889 --> 02:34:50,220
he first saw like a a dark Point coming

3625
02:34:55,070 --> 02:34:51,899
over the house it was like a speedboat

3626
02:34:57,710 --> 02:34:55,080
uh the bow of a speedboat that's what he

3627
02:35:00,889 --> 02:34:57,720
referred to he just came over a house

3628
02:35:02,809 --> 02:35:00,899
and then and then he just shot away

3629
02:35:06,050 --> 02:35:02,819
so it was moving slowly and it shot away

3630
02:35:07,790 --> 02:35:06,060
from standing standing start one minute

3631
02:35:10,190 --> 02:35:07,800
and it was gone the next that sounds

3632
02:35:12,469 --> 02:35:10,200
like a wedge-shaped craft

3633
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:12,479
yeah if you saw a wedge-shaped craft

3634
02:35:20,690 --> 02:35:18,590
dim lights underneath I would have I've

3635
02:35:23,090 --> 02:35:20,700
got to always pass this next map because

3636
02:35:26,030 --> 02:35:23,100
I've put it at the wrong place

3637
02:35:28,550 --> 02:35:26,040
this one is yeah we've got both cool

3638
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:28,560
down today it's no idea full score say

3639
02:35:33,170 --> 02:35:31,040
poor cool

3640
02:35:34,849 --> 02:35:33,180
these are so credible aren't they you

3641
02:35:37,790 --> 02:35:34,859
think people if you they're going to

3642
02:35:40,790 --> 02:35:37,800
make up I saw a UFO they must come out

3643
02:35:43,610 --> 02:35:40,800
with I saw a disc I saw a traditional

3644
02:35:46,010 --> 02:35:43,620
shape object none of these are

3645
02:35:49,610 --> 02:35:46,020
traditional none of these sizes are

3646
02:35:52,309 --> 02:35:49,620
traditional sizes yeah that side money

3647
02:35:54,650 --> 02:35:52,319
he came he came forward to us with that

3648
02:35:56,870 --> 02:35:54,660
reporter yeah yeah like that you know

3649
02:36:00,650 --> 02:35:56,880
this map is where it is uh it could see

3650
02:36:04,490 --> 02:36:00,660
about where about it was yeah

3651
02:36:07,550 --> 02:36:04,500
don't own here the bottom one yeah

3652
02:36:10,010 --> 02:36:07,560
well this one oh this is a good one

3653
02:36:11,510 --> 02:36:10,020
this is this is um

3654
02:36:14,210 --> 02:36:11,520
I got this from the South Winds Evening

3655
02:36:16,670 --> 02:36:14,220
Post on the 21st of January okay two

3656
02:36:18,650 --> 02:36:16,680
nights later and it was referred to

3657
02:36:21,050 --> 02:36:18,660
again on the 27th of January where they

3658
02:36:23,510 --> 02:36:21,060
had a follow-up article now this refers

3659
02:36:25,929 --> 02:36:23,520
to this is the evening William wretch

3660
02:36:29,510 --> 02:36:25,939
and his son at home in Handel Castle

3661
02:36:33,070 --> 02:36:29,520
cowbridge sounds Grand but Handel Castle

3662
02:36:37,610 --> 02:36:36,230
oh it was it was a big house split up

3663
02:36:39,410 --> 02:36:37,620
into separate Flats okay he wasn't

3664
02:36:41,090 --> 02:36:39,420
actually a like a counter block it was

3665
02:36:43,250 --> 02:36:41,100
like a big old house called Handel

3666
02:36:45,110 --> 02:36:43,260
Castle in in available Morgan right near

3667
02:36:47,450 --> 02:36:45,120
cowbridge

3668
02:36:50,630 --> 02:36:47,460
Billy rich or Bill Rich William rich

3669
02:36:52,429 --> 02:36:50,640
with his son saw a large triangular

3670
02:36:54,469 --> 02:36:52,439
object passing in the Westerly direction

3671
02:36:56,210 --> 02:36:54,479
towards the Bristol Channel

3672
02:36:57,050 --> 02:36:56,220
so it came from the direction Cardiff

3673
02:36:58,790 --> 02:36:57,060
okay

3674
02:37:00,290 --> 02:36:58,800
a little later they also observed other

3675
02:37:01,550 --> 02:37:00,300
lights which were pulsating but

3676
02:37:03,770 --> 02:37:01,560
stationary

3677
02:37:07,550 --> 02:37:03,780
and Will William rich

3678
02:37:11,450 --> 02:37:07,560
orbel is a member of Buford British UFO

3679
02:37:17,929 --> 02:37:14,990
yeah before at the time

3680
02:37:20,150 --> 02:37:17,939
in January 1983. now I managed to find

3681
02:37:21,710 --> 02:37:20,160
in the before a journal

3682
02:37:24,830 --> 02:37:21,720
his

3683
02:37:26,929 --> 02:37:24,840
um report on the Snipes of triangles

3684
02:37:29,330 --> 02:37:26,939
which uh it didn't really go into much

3685
02:37:30,910 --> 02:37:29,340
detail he I think all his information

3686
02:37:33,950 --> 02:37:30,920
came from

3687
02:37:35,570 --> 02:37:33,960
the uh press cuttings at the time you

3688
02:37:36,889 --> 02:37:35,580
know South Wales Evening Post and South

3689
02:37:38,510 --> 02:37:36,899
Will's Echo

3690
02:37:41,389 --> 02:37:38,520
he didn't actually go out in the field

3691
02:37:45,710 --> 02:37:42,849
um

3692
02:37:46,670 --> 02:37:45,720
there's shows where but that was heading

3693
02:37:47,889 --> 02:37:46,680
towards

3694
02:37:49,630 --> 02:37:47,899
um

3695
02:37:52,250 --> 02:37:49,640
yeah

3696
02:37:54,530 --> 02:37:52,260
that was going from Cardiff to Swansea

3697
02:37:57,050 --> 02:37:54,540
you know what time was that did that

3698
02:38:02,450 --> 02:37:57,060
happen evening just this evening because

3699
02:38:04,849 --> 02:38:02,460
it was yeah In The Evening Post okay oh

3700
02:38:07,610 --> 02:38:04,859
also in in that area can't do it major

3701
02:38:10,550 --> 02:38:07,620
there was a rugby game going on

3702
02:38:14,750 --> 02:38:10,560
with uh like 15 year olds

3703
02:38:17,450 --> 02:38:14,760
and uh one of the the coach

3704
02:38:19,070 --> 02:38:17,460
uh stopped the game because this huge

3705
02:38:20,870 --> 02:38:19,080
triangular shaped object went over the

3706
02:38:22,250 --> 02:38:20,880
pitch oh you're joking and are you

3707
02:38:23,510 --> 02:38:22,260
telling me all the players saw this or

3708
02:38:25,070 --> 02:38:23,520
just the coach

3709
02:38:26,750 --> 02:38:25,080
all the players yeah they stopped the

3710
02:38:30,349 --> 02:38:26,760
game now that that was encounter major

3711
02:38:32,870 --> 02:38:30,359
they all saw it just below where Bill

3712
02:38:35,630 --> 02:38:32,880
Rich was living okay Atlantic major is

3713
02:38:36,889 --> 02:38:35,640
just by run around there to be talking

3714
02:38:38,929 --> 02:38:36,899
they would have been on a flood lit

3715
02:38:40,910 --> 02:38:38,939
pitch if they were outside and it's in

3716
02:38:43,309 --> 02:38:40,920
the evening yeah it was dark it was

3717
02:38:44,990 --> 02:38:43,319
January wasn't it so um yeah

3718
02:38:48,170 --> 02:38:45,000
though we didn't talk about Cardiff last

3719
02:38:49,610 --> 02:38:48,180
time did we no no we're coming onto that

3720
02:38:51,590 --> 02:38:49,620
no because

3721
02:38:53,030 --> 02:38:51,600
uh the South Wales Echo Emily can you

3722
02:38:54,590 --> 02:38:53,040
just go back to that one a sec you just

3723
02:38:56,530 --> 02:38:54,600
blown me away there you you're telling

3724
02:38:58,969 --> 02:38:56,540
me that there would have been two teams

3725
02:39:01,730 --> 02:38:58,979
15 30 people they would have probably

3726
02:39:03,710 --> 02:39:01,740
been public family watching these go

3727
02:39:05,690 --> 02:39:03,720
these young Lads playing as well so

3728
02:39:07,730 --> 02:39:05,700
they've been all those watching and

3729
02:39:11,450 --> 02:39:07,740
probably seeing this as well

3730
02:39:13,730 --> 02:39:11,460
yeah we're we're talking 45 50 odd

3731
02:39:16,670 --> 02:39:13,740
people just at that game then that

3732
02:39:19,550 --> 02:39:16,680
witnessed the game was stopped

3733
02:39:21,410 --> 02:39:19,560
the news article mentions the name of

3734
02:39:23,150 --> 02:39:21,420
the coach and uh I tried to track him

3735
02:39:25,490 --> 02:39:23,160
down oh we've got to follow this up yeah

3736
02:39:27,410 --> 02:39:25,500
yeah Hanley he's moved to North Devon

3737
02:39:29,530 --> 02:39:27,420
and um I'm still trying to track him we

3738
02:39:32,090 --> 02:39:29,540
tried to track him down didn't we baby

3739
02:39:34,610 --> 02:39:32,100
to that conference

3740
02:39:35,809 --> 02:39:34,620
yeah it's uh he's he's still around

3741
02:39:38,150 --> 02:39:35,819
probably

3742
02:39:41,090 --> 02:39:38,160
you must be quite young man I think but

3743
02:39:42,469 --> 02:39:41,100
anyway go back to Cardiff um

3744
02:39:43,969 --> 02:39:42,479
this is the article that was in the

3745
02:39:46,010 --> 02:39:43,979
South Wales Echo

3746
02:39:48,710 --> 02:39:46,020
Carol Griffiths was traveling in a car

3747
02:39:51,469 --> 02:39:48,720
with her husband and a doctor they would

3748
02:39:53,690 --> 02:39:51,479
uh they were giving the doctor a lift

3749
02:39:55,490 --> 02:39:53,700
home the old worker the with the NHS I

3750
02:39:56,750 --> 02:39:55,500
think they were traveling through

3751
02:39:58,550 --> 02:39:56,760
handoff

3752
02:40:00,950 --> 02:39:58,560
and saw this

3753
02:40:01,790 --> 02:40:00,960
huge she did the drawing there that's in

3754
02:40:03,830 --> 02:40:01,800
the paper

3755
02:40:07,070 --> 02:40:03,840
and she saw this huge object moving

3756
02:40:09,469 --> 02:40:07,080
covered it huge white lights underneath

3757
02:40:13,070 --> 02:40:09,479
now I found an article written by Jenny

3758
02:40:17,150 --> 02:40:13,080
Randalls who interviewed Carol

3759
02:40:19,070 --> 02:40:17,160
for the Buford Journal yeah

3760
02:40:20,050 --> 02:40:19,080
she refers to it in one of her books as

3761
02:40:23,150 --> 02:40:20,060
well

3762
02:40:25,790 --> 02:40:23,160
Carol says which wasn't included in the

3763
02:40:27,650 --> 02:40:25,800
newspaper article that as she they got

3764
02:40:30,950 --> 02:40:27,660
they stopped the car and got out by

3765
02:40:33,170 --> 02:40:30,960
clandav playing fields and by the tennis

3766
02:40:34,490 --> 02:40:33,180
courts she said and this this thing went

3767
02:40:37,070 --> 02:40:34,500
over and she said it was as if

3768
02:40:38,870 --> 02:40:37,080
everything stopped it all went quiet

3769
02:40:39,889 --> 02:40:38,880
and there were people driving past in

3770
02:40:43,190 --> 02:40:39,899
the cars

3771
02:40:45,410 --> 02:40:43,200
oblivious to it as if nobody else could

3772
02:40:47,150 --> 02:40:45,420
see it but her and her husband and her

3773
02:40:48,889 --> 02:40:47,160
husband was in the car and but she got

3774
02:40:53,630 --> 02:40:48,899
out to look and she said everything was

3775
02:40:55,969 --> 02:40:53,640
really quiet and Jenny Randall's uh

3776
02:40:58,630 --> 02:40:55,979
uh refers to this phenomenon as the Oz

3777
02:41:01,790 --> 02:40:58,640
Factor

3778
02:41:03,710 --> 02:41:01,800
yeah quite often Witnesses would sort of

3779
02:41:05,809 --> 02:41:03,720
end being like a

3780
02:41:07,490 --> 02:41:05,819
a separate bubble I feel like from the

3781
02:41:09,349 --> 02:41:07,500
rest so that's the third witness that

3782
02:41:10,790 --> 02:41:09,359
has described this as well so I'm one of

3783
02:41:12,469 --> 02:41:10,800
those obviously to describe you remember

3784
02:41:15,469 --> 02:41:12,479
remember last time we've been talking

3785
02:41:18,230 --> 02:41:15,479
about uh Natalie Bowden naturally yeah

3786
02:41:20,090 --> 02:41:18,240
and her family were disinterested yeah

3787
02:41:22,550 --> 02:41:20,100
and they would you know yeah everything

3788
02:41:24,050 --> 02:41:22,560
was quiet it wasn't cold it was January

3789
02:41:25,790 --> 02:41:24,060
yeah

3790
02:41:27,950 --> 02:41:25,800
it wasn't cold she couldn't feel the

3791
02:41:29,450 --> 02:41:27,960
cold and it was all sort of quiet and

3792
02:41:31,070 --> 02:41:29,460
then when the object disappeared she

3793
02:41:32,510 --> 02:41:31,080
didn't see it disappear it was all of a

3794
02:41:34,250 --> 02:41:32,520
sudden he wasn't there anymore so this

3795
02:41:38,330 --> 02:41:34,260
is three people this is me in Newport

3796
02:41:40,969 --> 02:41:38,340
this is uh Caroline Cardiff and Natalie

3797
02:41:45,610 --> 02:41:40,979
in Swansea all describing basically the

3798
02:41:50,450 --> 02:41:45,620
same experience that's what I'm feeling

3799
02:41:52,429 --> 02:41:50,460
on the same night yeah yeah wow yeah and

3800
02:41:55,429 --> 02:41:52,439
this object was heading uh I can't read

3801
02:41:57,050 --> 02:41:55,439
that was it my own glasses um

3802
02:41:58,790 --> 02:41:57,060
and I'll just mention though I've never

3803
02:42:01,309 --> 02:41:58,800
heard of Carol before this is a new one

3804
02:42:02,929 --> 02:42:01,319
on me all right I've never met Natalie

3805
02:42:04,849 --> 02:42:02,939
you've never spoken to Natalie and yet

3806
02:42:07,250 --> 02:42:04,859
we've all got exactly the same story on

3807
02:42:09,650 --> 02:42:07,260
this for the second things yeah it was

3808
02:42:11,150 --> 02:42:09,660
they say they encoded giant triangular

3809
02:42:13,250 --> 02:42:11,160
shaped object with white lights along

3810
02:42:14,990 --> 02:42:13,260
the border of the triangle some Reports

3811
02:42:17,210 --> 02:42:15,000
say it was larger than the jumbo jet and

3812
02:42:18,950 --> 02:42:17,220
added red light in the Middle mother of

3813
02:42:21,349 --> 02:42:18,960
four Mrs Carol Griffiths of Hill

3814
02:42:22,130 --> 02:42:21,359
pentland Richard Hill Penland which

3815
02:42:25,190 --> 02:42:22,140
church

3816
02:42:28,070 --> 02:42:25,200
was being driven home from work at 7 pm

3817
02:42:29,690 --> 02:42:28,080
7 P.M okay remember that now when she

3818
02:42:32,929 --> 02:42:29,700
when she saw the object over the river

3819
02:42:34,910 --> 02:42:32,939
Taft close to clandav Rowing Club

3820
02:42:36,889 --> 02:42:34,920
she said today my husband stopped the

3821
02:42:39,410 --> 02:42:36,899
car we were so amazed it looked like

3822
02:42:40,790 --> 02:42:39,420
Concord taking off but it was stationary

3823
02:42:43,010 --> 02:42:40,800
in the sky

3824
02:42:45,770 --> 02:42:43,020
I normally poo Pooh things like that but

3825
02:42:47,870 --> 02:42:45,780
it had to be a UFO Mrs Griffiths his

3826
02:42:50,870 --> 02:42:47,880
husband John who works with her at the

3827
02:42:53,570 --> 02:42:50,880
at the air call limited a Communications

3828
02:42:57,050 --> 02:42:53,580
company in Cathedral Road said he saw a

3829
02:42:58,130 --> 02:42:57,060
similar object above pen twin earlier in

3830
02:43:00,910 --> 02:42:58,140
the evening

3831
02:43:02,929 --> 02:43:00,920
a passenger in the car doctor

3832
02:43:05,389 --> 02:43:02,939
nurbendra Deb

3833
02:43:08,030 --> 02:43:05,399
was presumably sounds Indian who

3834
02:43:09,950 --> 02:43:08,040
practices in caerphilly said the object

3835
02:43:12,050 --> 02:43:09,960
seemed fixed in the sky

3836
02:43:13,490 --> 02:43:12,060
I don't know what I was looking at

3837
02:43:14,870 --> 02:43:13,500
I have never seen anything like it

3838
02:43:17,270 --> 02:43:14,880
before he added

3839
02:43:19,370 --> 02:43:17,280
South Wales police say they received a

3840
02:43:23,210 --> 02:43:19,380
number of calls reporting UFOs between 6

3841
02:43:27,070 --> 02:43:23,220
pm and 7 P.M yesterday so South Wales

3842
02:43:30,110 --> 02:43:27,080
police would be Cardiff please with it

3843
02:43:32,090 --> 02:43:30,120
yeah two separate yes the holy Morgan

3844
02:43:33,770 --> 02:43:32,100
really okay

3845
02:43:35,809 --> 02:43:33,780
the first sighting reported four

3846
02:43:38,570 --> 02:43:35,819
flashing lights in the sky and within

3847
02:43:41,210 --> 02:43:38,580
minutes two detectives reported watching

3848
02:43:43,190 --> 02:43:41,220
a silent object that's the CID guys we

3849
02:43:44,990 --> 02:43:43,200
just talked about

3850
02:43:47,570 --> 02:43:45,000
the silent object triangle in shape

3851
02:43:49,610 --> 02:43:47,580
drifting Wester with Swansea even though

3852
02:43:51,530 --> 02:43:49,620
one of them said it was rectangular

3853
02:43:53,570 --> 02:43:51,540
anyway they said it was flying at one

3854
02:43:55,429 --> 02:43:53,580
thousand feet with three lights two of

3855
02:43:57,770 --> 02:43:55,439
which were pulsating it was followed by

3856
02:44:00,830 --> 02:43:57,780
a smaller similar object the RAF

3857
02:44:03,770 --> 02:44:00,840
received two similar reports but

3858
02:44:07,070 --> 02:44:03,780
reference to the Rafer thank you again

3859
02:44:11,750 --> 02:44:09,170
this is just what the the echo knew

3860
02:44:14,330 --> 02:44:11,760
about anyway a police spokesman said the

3861
02:44:17,750 --> 02:44:14,340
reports would be treated seriously

3862
02:44:21,650 --> 02:44:17,760
quote at present we have not got a clue

3863
02:44:23,210 --> 02:44:21,660
but inquiries will be made he commented

3864
02:44:25,610 --> 02:44:23,220
right

3865
02:44:27,950 --> 02:44:25,620
so the last part the last sort of two

3866
02:44:30,410 --> 02:44:27,960
paragraphs you could put down to be a

3867
02:44:33,349 --> 02:44:30,420
mic choke and because they had to call

3868
02:44:35,990 --> 02:44:33,359
off the RAF that night talk about their

3869
02:44:38,230 --> 02:44:36,000
separately talk about what they saw yeah

3870
02:44:43,849 --> 02:44:38,240
no

3871
02:44:45,770 --> 02:44:43,859
khandaf Primary School uh sorry egglois

3872
02:44:47,870 --> 02:44:45,780
when Primary School in whitchurch which

3873
02:44:50,210 --> 02:44:47,880
is in the same area

3874
02:44:52,370 --> 02:44:50,220
a lot of the children and the parents

3875
02:44:54,230 --> 02:44:52,380
that evening saw this object because

3876
02:44:55,550 --> 02:44:54,240
they

3877
02:44:57,590 --> 02:44:55,560
um talked about it in school the

3878
02:45:00,050 --> 02:44:57,600
following day the teacher got them to

3879
02:45:04,250 --> 02:45:00,060
make a huge picture together like a big

3880
02:45:07,010 --> 02:45:04,260
collage of the object no and and it got

3881
02:45:09,650 --> 02:45:07,020
in the in the in the paper and years

3882
02:45:12,830 --> 02:45:09,660
later they had a sort of reunion

3883
02:45:14,389 --> 02:45:12,840
and there was an article published in uh

3884
02:45:16,610 --> 02:45:14,399
this is the Knight of the triangles

3885
02:45:18,590 --> 02:45:16,620
these kids all saw it and they drew it

3886
02:45:21,050 --> 02:45:18,600
when they went to school the next day

3887
02:45:22,250 --> 02:45:21,060
you're okay yeah obviously they weren't

3888
02:45:24,770 --> 02:45:22,260
at school when they saw it because it

3889
02:45:28,250 --> 02:45:24,780
was in the evenings after school yeah

3890
02:45:31,010 --> 02:45:28,260
they were all so full of it that they

3891
02:45:34,910 --> 02:45:31,020
got the teacher got them to make a big

3892
02:45:36,170 --> 02:45:34,920
this this this picture was like meters

3893
02:45:37,309 --> 02:45:36,180
across and they put it all in the wall

3894
02:45:39,530 --> 02:45:37,319
you know remember what you used to do in

3895
02:45:41,210 --> 02:45:39,540
primary school all the kids used to make

3896
02:45:42,889 --> 02:45:41,220
a big collage together by cutting up

3897
02:45:45,309 --> 02:45:42,899
Bits of Paper and sticking out it's what

3898
02:45:47,330 --> 02:45:45,319
they did in broadhaven as well yeah

3899
02:45:48,770 --> 02:45:47,340
they're all separate pictures weren't

3900
02:45:50,570 --> 02:45:48,780
they yeah but the teacher got them all

3901
02:45:52,309 --> 02:45:50,580
together and said right you know

3902
02:45:54,230 --> 02:45:52,319
separate rooms you're doing drugs or

3903
02:45:56,750 --> 02:45:54,240
what you saw yeah in primary school

3904
02:46:00,349 --> 02:45:56,760
right so I went on the local whip Church

3905
02:46:02,090 --> 02:46:00,359
Facebook Hub you know all these little

3906
02:46:04,250 --> 02:46:02,100
communities have little labs and they

3907
02:46:07,490 --> 02:46:04,260
put a comment up saying does anybody

3908
02:46:09,170 --> 02:46:07,500
remember a UFO scene in 1983 and a lot

3909
02:46:11,030 --> 02:46:09,180
of people in England Primary School saw

3910
02:46:12,469 --> 02:46:11,040
it and I must have had about six people

3911
02:46:15,530 --> 02:46:12,479
come back saying yeah I was one of those

3912
02:46:17,570 --> 02:46:15,540
kids so no we've got the names of a lot

3913
02:46:21,230 --> 02:46:17,580
of them and uh it's just a matter of

3914
02:46:25,429 --> 02:46:23,510
um I'm not being funny you hear about

3915
02:46:27,950 --> 02:46:25,439
big cases

3916
02:46:28,969 --> 02:46:27,960
and then there is this and this is this

3917
02:46:31,010 --> 02:46:28,979
is just

3918
02:46:33,469 --> 02:46:31,020
there are so many witnesses that I was

3919
02:46:35,870 --> 02:46:33,479
unaware of you know and I mean we're not

3920
02:46:37,849 --> 02:46:35,880
when we're talking about 67 or something

3921
02:46:40,130 --> 02:46:37,859
around that's have come forward and

3922
02:46:41,630 --> 02:46:40,140
actually said yes we did see it and

3923
02:46:43,790 --> 02:46:41,640
they've made a statement or they've

3924
02:46:45,410 --> 02:46:43,800
they've made some comment about it

3925
02:46:47,450 --> 02:46:45,420
but then you've just said there was a

3926
02:46:50,270 --> 02:46:47,460
there's a load of kids in the school

3927
02:46:52,010 --> 02:46:50,280
that saw it we haven't added them to the

3928
02:46:54,530 --> 02:46:52,020
number there's a load of people who are

3929
02:46:56,690 --> 02:46:54,540
at a rugby there's another 50 or 60

3930
02:47:10,030 --> 02:46:56,700
there might have been or more at the red

3931
02:47:16,370 --> 02:47:14,030
yeah you know it's mind-blowing this is

3932
02:47:18,530 --> 02:47:16,380
where Carol was when she saw saw hers

3933
02:47:20,830 --> 02:47:18,540
you know so we moved away from Swansea

3934
02:47:23,510 --> 02:47:20,840
now and we're starting to come to work

3935
02:47:26,090 --> 02:47:23,520
so give people an idea of the distance

3936
02:47:27,830 --> 02:47:26,100
between Swansea and Cardiff we were

3937
02:47:31,490 --> 02:47:27,840
talking about 55 miles or something

3938
02:47:35,809 --> 02:47:31,500
around that 40 miles 40 miles okay

3939
02:47:38,030 --> 02:47:35,819
City Center the city centers okay

3940
02:47:39,830 --> 02:47:38,040
so nothing as the crowd surprise

3941
02:47:42,950 --> 02:47:39,840
absolutely nothing

3942
02:47:44,150 --> 02:47:42,960
no no Wales is very small so people are

3943
02:47:46,190 --> 02:47:44,160
aware yeah

3944
02:47:47,690 --> 02:47:46,200
this this is the I think can you see

3945
02:47:50,090 --> 02:47:47,700
that now this is the South Wales Evening

3946
02:47:53,090 --> 02:47:50,100
Post article from two nights later it

3947
02:47:55,070 --> 02:47:53,100
was June's drawings in um yeah because

3948
02:47:57,349 --> 02:47:55,080
on the 20th of January it was in the

3949
02:47:59,090 --> 02:47:57,359
evening post and the Coast Guard said oh

3950
02:48:00,410 --> 02:47:59,100
they what they said people saw will

3951
02:48:04,730 --> 02:48:00,420
probably meteos

3952
02:48:08,570 --> 02:48:04,740
so big a big response to that meteors

3953
02:48:11,030 --> 02:48:08,580
never say all the UFO spotters

3954
02:48:12,849 --> 02:48:11,040
all right okay and that's the article

3955
02:48:15,170 --> 02:48:12,859
that

3956
02:48:16,969 --> 02:48:15,180
mentions a lot of people's names some of

3957
02:48:19,070 --> 02:48:16,979
which we've Tracked Down

3958
02:48:20,990 --> 02:48:19,080
and some of which came forward so this

3959
02:48:24,590 --> 02:48:21,000
is this case got onto the local radio

3960
02:48:27,710 --> 02:48:24,600
going to the local the local press did

3961
02:48:30,830 --> 02:48:27,720
it make it onto the the Welsh news the

3962
02:48:33,650 --> 02:48:30,840
BBC flash news or the ITV News difficult

3963
02:48:35,750 --> 02:48:33,660
is difficult well

3964
02:48:38,090 --> 02:48:35,760
if you remember Roland betts's wife said

3965
02:48:40,429 --> 02:48:38,100
that they'd interviewed they'd

3966
02:48:42,950 --> 02:48:40,439
interrupted the news item on on a

3967
02:48:44,330 --> 02:48:42,960
program a program had been interrupted

3968
02:48:46,990 --> 02:48:44,340
to say that we don't know whether that

3969
02:48:50,330 --> 02:48:47,000
was radio or TV

3970
02:48:52,910 --> 02:48:50,340
probably radio yeah

3971
02:48:55,190 --> 02:48:52,920
yeah and this is massive isn't it I mean

3972
02:48:58,070 --> 02:48:55,200
I am blown away

3973
02:49:00,230 --> 02:48:58,080
you know when people come up with like

3974
02:49:02,690 --> 02:49:00,240
they've or they've seen UFOs in the sky

3975
02:49:06,050 --> 02:49:02,700
they always go off and try and find oh

3976
02:49:08,870 --> 02:49:06,060
no it's meteos or it's this is the big

3977
02:49:11,110 --> 02:49:08,880
case that has ever been in the UK there

3978
02:49:17,050 --> 02:49:11,120
is no two ways about it forget

3979
02:49:21,170 --> 02:49:18,950
to be honest

3980
02:49:22,910 --> 02:49:21,180
you know like the triangles in a lot of

3981
02:49:25,550 --> 02:49:22,920
areas you know not many people have

3982
02:49:27,290 --> 02:49:25,560
heard about it so yeah it's quite you

3983
02:49:29,929 --> 02:49:27,300
know it's quite a big thing that went on

3984
02:49:31,969 --> 02:49:29,939
that night and yet and yet

3985
02:49:34,130 --> 02:49:31,979
I asked Nick Pope I said this in the

3986
02:49:36,590 --> 02:49:34,140
part one of this interview we did before

3987
02:49:43,330 --> 02:49:36,600
I asked Nick Pope very even here to this

3988
02:49:50,450 --> 02:49:46,690
the mod had the files

3989
02:49:52,490 --> 02:49:50,460
about it yeah can I just I just I just

3990
02:49:53,690 --> 02:49:52,500
remembered another witness that we did a

3991
02:49:55,190 --> 02:49:53,700
guy called Alan I won't say it's full

3992
02:49:58,130 --> 02:49:55,200
name

3993
02:50:00,170 --> 02:49:58,140
um he was living in uh no that that one

3994
02:50:01,910 --> 02:50:00,180
Simon in Forest fox said he was like a

3995
02:50:03,889 --> 02:50:01,920
speed boat yeah

3996
02:50:06,110 --> 02:50:03,899
three streets away there was another boy

3997
02:50:07,309 --> 02:50:06,120
called Alan who was out in the street he

3998
02:50:09,410 --> 02:50:07,319
got his grandmother out to have a look

3999
02:50:11,150 --> 02:50:09,420
at it he said this he saw this huge

4000
02:50:13,490 --> 02:50:11,160
triangle going over

4001
02:50:14,630 --> 02:50:13,500
and he said he told us to his uncle saw

4002
02:50:17,690 --> 02:50:14,640
it as well

4003
02:50:20,389 --> 02:50:17,700
but is it is this will make you laugh

4004
02:50:22,250 --> 02:50:20,399
right this will make you laugh his uncle

4005
02:50:24,290 --> 02:50:22,260
who I believe is still with us and we

4006
02:50:25,610 --> 02:50:24,300
I've been trying to contact this Alan

4007
02:50:27,530 --> 02:50:25,620
again to try and get his details so

4008
02:50:29,450 --> 02:50:27,540
anyway this island was in a place called

4009
02:50:31,910 --> 02:50:29,460
cadilly Mill which is

4010
02:50:34,309 --> 02:50:31,920
not that far from Forest Park down the

4011
02:50:36,170 --> 02:50:34,319
hill towards go sign under action

4012
02:50:38,870 --> 02:50:36,180
and there was a at the time it was like

4013
02:50:40,969 --> 02:50:38,880
a dark Lane with no pavement like a

4014
02:50:42,050 --> 02:50:40,979
Country Lane okay and as he was walking

4015
02:50:44,450 --> 02:50:42,060
along

4016
02:50:46,670 --> 02:50:44,460
next to the the edge of the road in the

4017
02:50:48,530 --> 02:50:46,680
dark he thought something was coming up

4018
02:50:50,469 --> 02:50:48,540
behind him he thought it was a lorry he

4019
02:50:52,790 --> 02:50:50,479
jumped in the ditch to get out the way

4020
02:50:53,929 --> 02:50:52,800
when he turned around your promotion

4021
02:50:56,210 --> 02:50:53,939
counters again

4022
02:50:59,510 --> 02:50:56,220
he won the Lorry he was this gigantic

4023
02:51:00,750 --> 02:50:59,520
triangle at low altitude coming up oh my

4024
02:51:03,950 --> 02:51:00,760
God

4025
02:51:06,110 --> 02:51:03,960
[Laughter]

4026
02:51:06,910 --> 02:51:06,120
and they wouldn't make it up that's the

4027
02:51:10,250 --> 02:51:06,920
point

4028
02:51:12,349 --> 02:51:10,260
is it the outlandish stuff is the stuff

4029
02:51:14,330 --> 02:51:12,359
you believe in this topic I found you

4030
02:51:16,309 --> 02:51:14,340
know the the mundane stuff is the stuff

4031
02:51:17,809 --> 02:51:16,319
you can take with a pinch of salt

4032
02:51:19,309 --> 02:51:17,819
but when they when they're a little bit

4033
02:51:21,530 --> 02:51:19,319
like you wouldn't believe it knocked me

4034
02:51:23,090 --> 02:51:21,540
off on my bike or you know that's the

4035
02:51:25,550 --> 02:51:23,100
sort of stuff you take you take notice

4036
02:51:27,650 --> 02:51:25,560
of yeah this doesn't matter Mike's put

4037
02:51:30,230 --> 02:51:27,660
together uh showing roughly the

4038
02:51:31,969 --> 02:51:30,240
localities of some of them all the

4039
02:51:34,309 --> 02:51:31,979
sightings you know because it's probably

4040
02:51:36,170 --> 02:51:34,319
yeah probably got about another 20 or so

4041
02:51:37,550 --> 02:51:36,180
I know if you're not on the database

4042
02:51:40,270 --> 02:51:37,560
there's one reference from cumbrally

4043
02:51:42,710 --> 02:51:40,280
another one

4044
02:51:45,889 --> 02:51:42,720
this is just think of all the database

4045
02:51:48,410 --> 02:51:45,899
we got so we know we got more

4046
02:51:50,809 --> 02:51:48,420
okay say things out there so there'd be

4047
02:51:53,210 --> 02:51:50,819
a lot more red dots on this to

4048
02:51:55,010 --> 02:51:53,220
uh so you know to show where all decided

4049
02:51:56,570 --> 02:51:55,020
obviously it's a lot more intensive in

4050
02:51:59,150 --> 02:51:56,580
the Swansea area that's the point here

4051
02:52:01,250 --> 02:51:59,160
isn't it yeah

4052
02:52:03,650 --> 02:52:01,260
another guy called Craig he was 15 at

4053
02:52:06,769 --> 02:52:03,660
the time doing a paper around langland

4054
02:52:09,410 --> 02:52:06,779
which is near mumbles there just um just

4055
02:52:13,130 --> 02:52:09,420
there yeah yeah he told us that he saw

4056
02:52:14,630 --> 02:52:13,140
this huge triangle going over over the

4057
02:52:17,809 --> 02:52:14,640
go and over the sea

4058
02:52:20,090 --> 02:52:17,819
that way yeah

4059
02:52:22,010 --> 02:52:20,100
um another witness said that they they

4060
02:52:24,290 --> 02:52:22,020
saw these two triangles going over the

4061
02:52:26,269 --> 02:52:24,300
over the garden over the sea that way so

4062
02:52:28,910 --> 02:52:26,279
they went over the Bristol Channel which

4063
02:52:31,309 --> 02:52:28,920
went over Penn land we haven't we looked

4064
02:52:32,990 --> 02:52:31,319
into the the opposite Coastline the the

4065
02:52:35,090 --> 02:52:33,000
English Channel the you know the the

4066
02:52:36,469 --> 02:52:35,100
Bristol side like you looked into your

4067
02:52:38,330 --> 02:52:36,479
thoughts on that side I'd like to be

4068
02:52:39,590 --> 02:52:38,340
talking to somebody down that way yeah

4069
02:52:42,650 --> 02:52:39,600
yes um

4070
02:52:44,450 --> 02:52:42,660
a chant to a guy uh because I put a post

4071
02:52:47,389 --> 02:52:44,460
up like he said all night the triangles

4072
02:52:49,490 --> 02:52:47,399
you know like other guys said oh there

4073
02:52:51,889 --> 02:52:49,500
was if we were down in Africa

4074
02:52:53,990 --> 02:52:51,899
um I used to live in ilford and I know

4075
02:52:56,630 --> 02:52:54,000
there were Witnesses down there

4076
02:53:00,130 --> 02:52:56,640
what was a freshman on the rocks and he

4077
02:53:03,110 --> 02:53:00,140
said a massive one went over

4078
02:53:06,250 --> 02:53:03,120
cool and then headed up towards Cardiff

4079
02:53:09,230 --> 02:53:06,260
what time did he say that happened

4080
02:53:11,690 --> 02:53:09,240
is Pitch Black it was early evening

4081
02:53:13,910 --> 02:53:11,700
and there was some he said there was

4082
02:53:16,490 --> 02:53:13,920
another another witness that saw it as

4083
02:53:19,190 --> 02:53:16,500
well he said it was in the in the papers

4084
02:53:21,889 --> 02:53:19,200
so maybe with my dad to call we stopped

4085
02:53:27,969 --> 02:53:21,899
and where did we stopped and began to be

4086
02:53:32,690 --> 02:53:30,590
looked at all the microfilm but we

4087
02:53:35,090 --> 02:53:32,700
couldn't find anything for those for the

4088
02:53:37,550 --> 02:53:35,100
for that time to say that it was in the

4089
02:53:38,929 --> 02:53:37,560
paper in the papers that we saw they've

4090
02:53:40,969 --> 02:53:38,939
just got mixed up with the dates then

4091
02:53:42,769 --> 02:53:40,979
yeah but he was added but it was on that

4092
02:53:44,990 --> 02:53:42,779
night because he said the same light as

4093
02:53:46,730 --> 02:53:45,000
because you know he's he sort of

4094
02:53:48,650 --> 02:53:46,740
followed the like the triangles because

4095
02:53:51,469 --> 02:53:48,660
he said pointed out straight away

4096
02:53:54,469 --> 02:53:51,479
can you imagine if this happened no with

4097
02:53:57,110 --> 02:53:54,479
all the people with mobile phones

4098
02:54:01,490 --> 02:53:57,120
it'd be incredible and if it happened in

4099
02:54:03,170 --> 02:54:01,500
New York or L.A exactly yeah little old

4100
02:54:04,550 --> 02:54:03,180
South Wales got this

4101
02:54:06,769 --> 02:54:04,560
I mean this has got to be the biggest

4102
02:54:09,830 --> 02:54:06,779
this is I mean this is Phoenix Lights

4103
02:54:11,450 --> 02:54:09,840
standard but that was one giant craft we

4104
02:54:16,330 --> 02:54:11,460
sound like we've got about

4105
02:54:19,670 --> 02:54:16,340
20 giant crafts different shape sizes

4106
02:54:21,050 --> 02:54:19,680
some could be the same objects moving in

4107
02:54:23,990 --> 02:54:21,060
the same place like different people

4108
02:54:25,910 --> 02:54:24,000
yeah but yeah summer at the same time

4109
02:54:26,870 --> 02:54:25,920
but in different places doing different

4110
02:54:30,710 --> 02:54:26,880
things

4111
02:54:35,450 --> 02:54:33,290
yeah blown away yeah because there is a

4112
02:54:37,990 --> 02:54:35,460
head of a lot of substance to this case

4113
02:54:42,710 --> 02:54:38,000
between the CID

4114
02:54:45,889 --> 02:54:42,720
xras Witnesses mod Files full screen the

4115
02:54:47,990 --> 02:54:45,899
earliest depiction of a tr3b I know of I

4116
02:54:51,590 --> 02:54:48,000
can think yeah the rugby game full of

4117
02:54:53,389 --> 02:54:51,600
witnesses and another are not quite a

4118
02:54:57,830 --> 02:54:53,399
school sighting but exciting by a hell

4119
02:55:00,590 --> 02:54:57,840
of a lot of school children yeah yeah so

4120
02:55:02,870 --> 02:55:00,600
these are just real people the uh

4121
02:55:04,849 --> 02:55:02,880
Engineers they've got real jobs Etc

4122
02:55:06,889 --> 02:55:04,859
they're not looking for fame or Fortuner

4123
02:55:10,130 --> 02:55:06,899
to get their way on to the conference

4124
02:55:12,110 --> 02:55:10,140
circuit yet they get ridiculed or may

4125
02:55:13,730 --> 02:55:12,120
possibly even threatened is the

4126
02:55:16,610 --> 02:55:13,740
implication from some of these stories

4127
02:55:17,809 --> 02:55:16,620
for coming forward with their story

4128
02:55:20,150 --> 02:55:17,819
yeah

4129
02:55:23,030 --> 02:55:20,160
and and the fact that some of some of

4130
02:55:24,950 --> 02:55:23,040
these are um they're saying that

4131
02:55:27,230 --> 02:55:24,960
um there's no sound

4132
02:55:29,929 --> 02:55:27,240
they should have fallen out the sky

4133
02:55:33,110 --> 02:55:29,939
there's no engine noise at all

4134
02:55:34,550 --> 02:55:33,120
yeah yeah yeah yeah okay these are all

4135
02:55:36,469 --> 02:55:34,560
in different parts of Wales and they're

4136
02:55:39,230 --> 02:55:36,479
all giving it identical descriptions

4137
02:55:40,670 --> 02:55:39,240
these people have never met

4138
02:55:42,170 --> 02:55:40,680
none of them probably know each other

4139
02:55:43,910 --> 02:55:42,180
you know one or two might have been

4140
02:55:46,250 --> 02:55:43,920
together as friends and saw it together

4141
02:55:47,990 --> 02:55:46,260
so they know each other so may have

4142
02:55:50,330 --> 02:55:48,000
corroborated a story between the two of

4143
02:55:52,849 --> 02:55:50,340
them got scrambled got a story together

4144
02:55:54,950 --> 02:55:52,859
but we'll see the first majority of

4145
02:55:56,809 --> 02:55:54,960
these people didn't even know each other

4146
02:55:59,570 --> 02:55:56,819
soufflon's drawn a food together now

4147
02:56:01,010 --> 02:55:59,580
we're in our meetings and uh

4148
02:56:02,510 --> 02:56:01,020
a lot of them

4149
02:56:04,190 --> 02:56:02,520
some of the witnesses come to our

4150
02:56:05,150 --> 02:56:04,200
meetings every week every month now and

4151
02:56:08,389 --> 02:56:05,160
uh

4152
02:56:10,550 --> 02:56:08,399
they know each other as friends now

4153
02:56:14,030 --> 02:56:10,560
like I say that just lift a couple doors

4154
02:56:16,250 --> 02:56:14,040
up from awesome well I found his dad but

4155
02:56:17,929 --> 02:56:16,260
yet they never knew each other but they

4156
02:56:20,030 --> 02:56:17,939
saw very similar things going over their

4157
02:56:26,210 --> 02:56:20,040
houses is that is that the last one then

4158
02:56:31,670 --> 02:56:28,490
okay

4159
02:56:33,950 --> 02:56:31,680
you know they even got Barclays you know

4160
02:56:37,490 --> 02:56:33,960
he he saw something big going over that

4161
02:56:39,650 --> 02:56:37,500
way and he could could be said what that

4162
02:56:43,610 --> 02:56:39,660
did also it's all after and there's you

4163
02:56:45,889 --> 02:56:43,620
you see yourself John and uh Jim Thomas

4164
02:56:49,450 --> 02:56:45,899
Peter Watkins

4165
02:56:52,370 --> 02:56:49,460
Wills oh god

4166
02:56:54,710 --> 02:56:52,380
oh yeah yeah

4167
02:56:55,990 --> 02:56:54,720
still preval as well his wife comes to

4168
02:57:03,849 --> 02:56:56,000
meetings

4169
02:57:09,170 --> 02:57:06,590
since 1983 they still got a huge

4170
02:57:11,030 --> 02:57:09,180
interest in this so much so that they

4171
02:57:15,170 --> 02:57:11,040
they're risk ridicule by even turning up

4172
02:57:17,510 --> 02:57:15,180
at UFO meetings and they don't have much

4173
02:57:19,490 --> 02:57:17,520
friends yeah because everyone has got to

4174
02:57:21,429 --> 02:57:19,500
talk a lot of people have got stories of

4175
02:57:24,050 --> 02:57:21,439
what they've seen or yeah

4176
02:57:26,990 --> 02:57:24,060
so they could talk freely and not say

4177
02:57:28,010 --> 02:57:27,000
some people contact us it was it was

4178
02:57:30,530 --> 02:57:28,020
that guy

4179
02:57:32,990 --> 02:57:30,540
um he was 15 at the time he just come up

4180
02:57:35,750 --> 02:57:33,000
to the chemists at uh in Brynn abrid

4181
02:57:38,570 --> 02:57:35,760
which is near Lando and him and his

4182
02:57:40,070 --> 02:57:38,580
mates so these two big triangles going

4183
02:57:41,990 --> 02:57:40,080
east to west

4184
02:57:44,570 --> 02:57:42,000
at low altitudes

4185
02:57:47,150 --> 02:57:44,580
over the Brent hybrid square but he

4186
02:57:48,349 --> 02:57:47,160
doesn't want his name or he doesn't want

4187
02:57:50,570 --> 02:57:48,359
he doesn't want to be interviewed he

4188
02:57:52,570 --> 02:57:50,580
just said no I told you what I saw I

4189
02:57:55,969 --> 02:57:52,580
said I don't wanted to go any further

4190
02:57:57,610 --> 02:57:55,979
and I think that's you know the 99 of

4191
02:57:59,990 --> 02:57:57,620
people wouldn't have found the place

4192
02:58:02,090 --> 02:58:00,000
they wouldn't have risked the ridicule

4193
02:58:04,370 --> 02:58:02,100
at that time in 1983 they wouldn't have

4194
02:58:06,349 --> 02:58:04,380
told their mates they may have said did

4195
02:58:07,670 --> 02:58:06,359
you see some to the neighbor did you see

4196
02:58:09,170 --> 02:58:07,680
that last night

4197
02:58:12,170 --> 02:58:09,180
but that would have been the extent of

4198
02:58:14,690 --> 02:58:12,180
it in in that sort of era so the image

4199
02:58:16,309 --> 02:58:14,700
is so impressive that so many came

4200
02:58:18,769 --> 02:58:16,319
forward at that time

4201
02:58:22,370 --> 02:58:18,779
that's typical of so many UFO Witnesses

4202
02:58:25,190 --> 02:58:22,380
most never get reported yeah yeah

4203
02:58:26,450 --> 02:58:25,200
but who do you report to two I don't

4204
02:58:29,690 --> 02:58:26,460
want to report and they make fun of me

4205
02:58:31,730 --> 02:58:29,700
we could do with this being a movie and

4206
02:58:33,290 --> 02:58:31,740
then I can imagine if we said there was

4207
02:58:34,730 --> 02:58:33,300
going to be a movie about this can you

4208
02:58:36,410 --> 02:58:34,740
imagine how many people would suddenly

4209
02:58:38,870 --> 02:58:36,420
come out the woodwork and say well

4210
02:58:41,030 --> 02:58:38,880
actually I saw that as well

4211
02:58:42,469 --> 02:58:41,040
and you might get some pictures you

4212
02:58:45,950 --> 02:58:42,479
never know I mean you know there's

4213
02:58:48,590 --> 02:58:45,960
cameras around so we've we've put stuff

4214
02:58:50,210 --> 02:58:48,600
in the local paper about uh like for

4215
02:58:52,429 --> 02:58:50,220
instance that uh we're having a meeting

4216
02:58:54,710 --> 02:58:52,439
to talk about the like of the triangles

4217
02:58:56,990 --> 02:58:54,720
well Simon Matthew's going to touch it

4218
02:59:00,290 --> 02:58:57,000
underneath yeah he said he was sitting

4219
02:59:04,790 --> 02:59:03,590
yeah he was sitting on his coffee he was

4220
02:59:07,790 --> 02:59:04,800
having his tea and the other evening

4221
02:59:09,670 --> 02:59:07,800
post or came up on the South Wales

4222
02:59:11,809 --> 02:59:09,680
online

4223
02:59:13,550 --> 02:59:11,819
and yeah he's back his tea out because

4224
02:59:17,630 --> 02:59:13,560
he said oh my God there's my sight end

4225
02:59:20,990 --> 02:59:19,550
that's Simon yeah the only problem with

4226
02:59:22,969 --> 02:59:21,000
that though is because there were other

4227
02:59:25,309 --> 02:59:22,979
people that said it wasn't the triangle

4228
02:59:27,349 --> 02:59:25,319
they said they saw different shapes so

4229
02:59:28,309 --> 02:59:27,359
they'll be thinking it's not the same

4230
02:59:29,510 --> 02:59:28,319
case

4231
02:59:31,070 --> 02:59:29,520
oh because they're talking about

4232
02:59:32,750 --> 02:59:31,080
triangles that's the only problem with

4233
02:59:35,150 --> 02:59:32,760
giving it a name Knight that's the only

4234
02:59:36,650 --> 02:59:35,160
issue with that isn't it but it makes

4235
02:59:38,510 --> 02:59:36,660
sense because most people did see

4236
02:59:40,190 --> 02:59:38,520
triangular shapes I get why you did that

4237
02:59:42,050 --> 02:59:40,200
what helped a lot of people remember it

4238
02:59:44,030 --> 02:59:42,060
oh yeah it was in even a poster foreign

4239
02:59:48,410 --> 02:59:44,040
light there was a picture of it

4240
02:59:50,269 --> 02:59:48,420
that's Jones June Thomas's drawing yeah

4241
02:59:53,090 --> 02:59:50,279
it's a mental thing that imprinted on

4242
02:59:54,950 --> 02:59:53,100
people's memory yeah I saw that that was

4243
02:59:56,990 --> 02:59:54,960
in the paper it was a drawing of it so

4244
02:59:58,730 --> 02:59:57,000
many people have told us that which is

4245
03:00:01,250 --> 02:59:58,740
good really because it

4246
03:00:05,269 --> 03:00:01,260
it's definite that date is what the

4247
03:00:06,950 --> 03:00:05,279
sighting was then I mean it changes a

4248
03:00:08,630 --> 03:00:06,960
couple of days afterwards and you just

4249
03:00:11,389 --> 03:00:08,640
go okay so you know then that they are

4250
03:00:12,830 --> 03:00:11,399
unless you know it wasn't on a different

4251
03:00:16,070 --> 03:00:12,840
light at that time because it's so long

4252
03:00:17,630 --> 03:00:16,080
ago I would do remember yeah but I was

4253
03:00:19,730 --> 03:00:17,640
in the paper the following day you know

4254
03:00:22,730 --> 03:00:19,740
that was that's

4255
03:00:25,370 --> 03:00:22,740
but it's like the guy with the um who

4256
03:00:27,349 --> 03:00:25,380
saw it that you're looking down at it

4257
03:00:31,309 --> 03:00:27,359
that was where the Liberty stadium is

4258
03:00:32,690 --> 03:00:31,319
now that area he came and he he was like

4259
03:00:35,750 --> 03:00:32,700
quite cagey

4260
03:00:37,550 --> 03:00:35,760
but it's all right yeah he came to the

4261
03:00:40,250 --> 03:00:37,560
meeting our meeting yeah that night and

4262
03:00:41,769 --> 03:00:40,260
the relief of because he because he's

4263
03:00:44,030 --> 03:00:41,779
he's

4264
03:00:46,010 --> 03:00:44,040
going to the confessional isn't it when

4265
03:00:48,950 --> 03:00:46,020
you when you you finally give over your

4266
03:00:50,870 --> 03:00:48,960
UFO story to somebody I don't want to be

4267
03:00:53,030 --> 03:00:50,880
ridiculous you're hoping that they're

4268
03:00:55,849 --> 03:00:53,040
not going to smoke and start big Landing

4269
03:00:57,410 --> 03:00:55,859
yeah I said to him oh it's every name I

4270
03:00:58,849 --> 03:00:57,420
need contact details he said no I'm not

4271
03:01:00,889 --> 03:00:58,859
getting no he said I'll tell it I just

4272
03:01:04,030 --> 03:01:00,899
came I just told you what I saw a bit

4273
03:01:06,170 --> 03:01:04,040
like the other one those two boys

4274
03:01:08,210 --> 03:01:06,180
who said he was he was with his native

4275
03:01:09,889 --> 03:01:08,220
with two boys at the time he didn't want

4276
03:01:11,690 --> 03:01:09,899
to go any further

4277
03:01:13,250 --> 03:01:11,700
you just want to tell us what you saw

4278
03:01:14,210 --> 03:01:13,260
and I said you know you got the

4279
03:01:16,790 --> 03:01:14,220
information

4280
03:01:19,429 --> 03:01:16,800
but it's like getting a release for that

4281
03:01:20,870 --> 03:01:19,439
because they've held it for so long

4282
03:01:22,670 --> 03:01:20,880
they've not really told that he'd be

4283
03:01:23,630 --> 03:01:22,680
like this guy is turned up he never told

4284
03:01:25,790 --> 03:01:23,640
anyone

4285
03:01:28,610 --> 03:01:25,800
you know he got and he saw it was a

4286
03:01:30,830 --> 03:01:28,620
really friend to blurt you know get rid

4287
03:01:34,750 --> 03:01:30,840
of it and then what she did and he went

4288
03:01:38,030 --> 03:01:34,760
he didn't stay he went we've also got um

4289
03:01:39,710 --> 03:01:38,040
Deborah Brooks yeah yeah yeah this came

4290
03:01:42,410 --> 03:01:39,720
up just by chance we were on the sky

4291
03:01:43,750 --> 03:01:42,420
watched I'm so good on the go off a

4292
03:01:46,309 --> 03:01:43,760
couple months back

4293
03:01:48,290 --> 03:01:46,319
and um I put someone up on Facebook to

4294
03:01:50,090 --> 03:01:48,300
advertise it and two people we didn't

4295
03:01:52,309 --> 03:01:50,100
know okay my husband and wife

4296
03:01:54,710 --> 03:01:52,319
Deborah and I can't remember his name

4297
03:01:56,630 --> 03:01:54,720
and uh we was sitting there on the bench

4298
03:01:57,950 --> 03:01:56,640
looking at the sky and she was talking

4299
03:02:00,290 --> 03:01:57,960
about I said so have you had any

4300
03:02:01,730 --> 03:02:00,300
sightings he said oh yeah it was one

4301
03:02:04,010 --> 03:02:01,740
night I was with some friends I was only

4302
03:02:05,630 --> 03:02:04,020
about 15. no she didn't say in the dead

4303
03:02:07,790 --> 03:02:05,640
she didn't say the edge of the time hang

4304
03:02:10,010 --> 03:02:07,800
on a minute no we she said yeah we saw

4305
03:02:12,830 --> 03:02:10,020
this uh thing in new Morrison it wasn't

4306
03:02:13,969 --> 03:02:12,840
a plasma and this big triangle went over

4307
03:02:15,950 --> 03:02:13,979
I meant

4308
03:02:17,870 --> 03:02:15,960
all right I will do I will do that and

4309
03:02:20,210 --> 03:02:17,880
she's all 15. I said how old do you know

4310
03:02:24,950 --> 03:02:20,220
and she says at age

4311
03:02:27,230 --> 03:02:24,960
and I said deduced it down 1983 yeah

4312
03:02:28,730 --> 03:02:27,240
yeah what yeah yeah it was 15 it was 83.

4313
03:02:30,230 --> 03:02:28,740
I said

4314
03:02:32,090 --> 03:02:30,240
what part of the year was it was it cold

4315
03:02:33,610 --> 03:02:32,100
this year it was pretty cold it was in

4316
03:02:35,929 --> 03:02:33,620
the winter I think

4317
03:02:38,090 --> 03:02:35,939
and she said did she say he was in the

4318
03:02:39,650 --> 03:02:38,100
paper the following day or something but

4319
03:02:40,910 --> 03:02:39,660
it was quite funny because I said he's

4320
03:02:43,570 --> 03:02:40,920
talking we would look at each other

4321
03:02:47,269 --> 03:02:45,710
I said oh my God you're looking like the

4322
03:02:50,450 --> 03:02:47,279
triangles witness and she said

4323
03:02:52,070 --> 03:02:50,460
synchronicities do you live a girl she

4324
03:02:54,290 --> 03:02:52,080
had never heard of this

4325
03:02:58,070 --> 03:02:54,300
and uh

4326
03:02:59,870 --> 03:02:58,080
yeah so she was with a friend called Sue

4327
03:03:02,809 --> 03:02:59,880
who's still around and two other friends

4328
03:03:04,130 --> 03:03:02,819
who passed away unfortunately and they

4329
03:03:06,349 --> 03:03:04,140
were hanging around you know like

4330
03:03:09,410 --> 03:03:06,359
teenagers used to do they're all in the

4331
03:03:11,570 --> 03:03:09,420
house on the computers now but 1983 I

4332
03:03:14,510 --> 03:03:11,580
was one of them shortly before that

4333
03:03:18,290 --> 03:03:14,520
hanging around the streets of the mates

4334
03:03:21,650 --> 03:03:18,300
in plasma which is or Morriston area in

4335
03:03:25,010 --> 03:03:21,660
the valley and this thing went over

4336
03:03:26,269 --> 03:03:25,020
quiet it was completely silent triangle

4337
03:03:28,550 --> 03:03:26,279
it was no there's no light on it was

4338
03:03:30,710 --> 03:03:28,560
there it was dark no dark but it blocked

4339
03:03:32,750 --> 03:03:30,720
up the Stars he said it was a big black

4340
03:03:34,910 --> 03:03:32,760
triangle that was completely silent went

4341
03:03:37,969 --> 03:03:34,920
over them at low altitude

4342
03:03:43,389 --> 03:03:40,849
so that's something else we got a event

4343
03:03:46,370 --> 03:03:43,399
that's we've got a uh

4344
03:03:47,750 --> 03:03:46,380
properly and video it hopefully

4345
03:03:52,130 --> 03:03:47,760
yeah yeah

4346
03:03:53,870 --> 03:03:52,140
yeah well marvelous right guys I think

4347
03:03:56,210 --> 03:03:53,880
we'll uh

4348
03:03:58,910 --> 03:03:56,220
we'll wrap this up can you can you tell

4349
03:04:01,130 --> 03:03:58,920
them our listeners where they can get in

4350
03:04:05,090 --> 03:04:01,140
contact with souffon

4351
03:04:07,550 --> 03:04:05,100
Facebook swazil UFO Network

4352
03:04:10,309 --> 03:04:07,560
it's called page um

4353
03:04:13,389 --> 03:04:10,319
we've got a website on all the contact

4354
03:04:15,710 --> 03:04:13,399
details are on there you've got

4355
03:04:18,590 --> 03:04:15,720
www.sufon.co.uk where you can also

4356
03:04:21,769 --> 03:04:18,600
submit a site in that you've had

4357
03:04:24,170 --> 03:04:21,779
do uh via Facebook or submissions on the

4358
03:04:26,630 --> 03:04:24,180
website and first we've also got a

4359
03:04:29,570 --> 03:04:26,640
WhatsApp as well so because people who

4360
03:04:32,330 --> 03:04:29,580
could send stuff via WhatsApp

4361
03:04:33,950 --> 03:04:32,340
it's a little website yeah brilliant so

4362
03:04:36,050 --> 03:04:33,960
like I said earlier we're going to be

4363
03:04:38,630 --> 03:04:36,060
doing the the broadhaven school case

4364
03:04:41,090 --> 03:04:38,640
soon so get to work on that Mike get

4365
03:04:42,889 --> 03:04:41,100
your file going yeah yeah yeah I'm

4366
03:04:45,050 --> 03:04:42,899
really looking forward to that one

4367
03:04:46,849 --> 03:04:45,060
I know we can keep doing the updates on

4368
03:04:48,290 --> 03:04:46,859
this as we're going forward we can if we

4369
03:04:49,730 --> 03:04:48,300
get new Witnesses and you get a new

4370
03:04:52,190 --> 03:04:49,740
statement we can always slot it into

4371
03:04:54,170 --> 03:04:52,200
anything where we're currently doing so

4372
03:04:56,750 --> 03:04:54,180
we can keep people up you know

4373
03:04:59,510 --> 03:04:56,760
abreast of what's going on so yeah

4374
03:05:01,389 --> 03:04:59,520
brilliant

4375
03:05:05,809 --> 03:05:01,399
um thank you again

4376
03:05:10,010 --> 03:05:08,330
surprising how long it took like nearly

4377
03:05:12,650 --> 03:05:10,020
four hours worth of

4378
03:05:14,870 --> 03:05:12,660
it's okay about one night yeah that's

4379
03:05:18,290 --> 03:05:14,880
incredible surprising yeah there's more

4380
03:05:19,610 --> 03:05:18,300
to say yeah yeah a glue sweating thing I

4381
03:05:21,590 --> 03:05:19,620
haven't written that up

4382
03:05:24,349 --> 03:05:21,600
yeah I got more time now so I'll get on

4383
03:05:26,090 --> 03:05:24,359
to it and uh this egglois when Primary

4384
03:05:28,070 --> 03:05:26,100
School in Cardiff

4385
03:05:31,250 --> 03:05:28,080
this is really interesting thing yeah

4386
03:05:33,290 --> 03:05:31,260
yeah I got a picture a photograph of the

4387
03:05:35,510 --> 03:05:33,300
picture that they made somewhere

4388
03:05:36,769 --> 03:05:35,520
brilliant looking forward to seeing that

4389
03:05:39,170 --> 03:05:36,779
next time as well

4390
03:05:40,910 --> 03:05:39,180
okay guys so we'll call that a rap sound